Censoring a Number

Comp1337 · Post by **Comp1337** » 02 May 2007, 21:03

Cabbage wrote:
Guessmyname wrote:What is this number supposed to do anyway...
HD-DVD encryption..

And no, numbers CANNOT be copyrighted, which is why after the 486, (and lots of reversed engineered rival products with the same name), intel decided to call it's next processor the pentium..

they can, but they cant make it a trademark afaik

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 02 May 2007, 22:32

We're not lawyers, let's not debate over the finer points of intellectual property law.

Boirunner · Post by **Boirunner** » 02 May 2007, 23:17

Cabbage wrote:And no, numbers CANNOT be copyrighted, which is why after the 486, (and lots of reversed engineered rival products with the same name), intel decided to call it's next processor the pentium..

What you describe is a trademark. Of course numbers can be copyrighted. An MP3 can be represented as a string of bits. That is a number. The contents of the MP3 is copyrighted. Therefore the number representing the contents of the MP3 is copyrighted.

Cabbage · Post by **Cabbage** » 02 May 2007, 23:20

errr i meant trademark! yeah!..

bastids!

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 03 May 2007, 00:35

BlackLiger wrote:really? Mine's 12345

That's the dumbest password I've ever heard!

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 03 May 2007, 08:24

Boirunner wrote:
Cabbage wrote:And no, numbers CANNOT be copyrighted, which is why after the 486, (and lots of reversed engineered rival products with the same name), intel decided to call it's next processor the pentium..
What you describe is a trademark. Of course numbers can be copyrighted. An MP3 can be represented as a string of bits. That is a number. The contents of the MP3 is copyrighted. Therefore the number representing the contents of the MP3 is copyrighted.

No, the stuff the number represents (in the case of an MP3 a song) is copyrighted, not the number itself. Copyright applies to creative works, the number is the output of an algorithm which is not creative. This also means that encoding the same song into a different number will still be covered by the same copyright and encoding something else into the same number (e.g. an image file that happens to end up looking the same on the disc) is a separate copyright.

CompWiz · Post by **CompWiz** » 03 May 2007, 08:26

OH SNAP

http://digg.com/hardware/The_Number_Has ... wer_Titles

Boirunner · Post by **Boirunner** » 03 May 2007, 09:44

KDR_11k wrote:
Boirunner wrote:
Cabbage wrote:And no, numbers CANNOT be copyrighted, which is why after the 486, (and lots of reversed engineered rival products with the same name), intel decided to call it's next processor the pentium..
What you describe is a trademark. Of course numbers can be copyrighted. An MP3 can be represented as a string of bits. That is a number. The contents of the MP3 is copyrighted. Therefore the number representing the contents of the MP3 is copyrighted.
No, the stuff the number represents (in the case of an MP3 a song) is copyrighted, not the number itself. Copyright applies to creative works, the number is the output of an algorithm which is not creative. This also means that encoding the same song into a different number will still be covered by the same copyright and encoding something else into the same number (e.g. an image file that happens to end up looking the same on the disc) is a separate copyright.

Well yes. The music is copyrighted, and therefore you may not freely copy a number that can be used to represent the music in the context that it can do that. It's the exact same thing here: You may not distribute the number in the context that it can be used to decode DVDs.

In either cases, the number itself without the context is worthless and meaningless, and can be copied freely. Nobody will make it illegal for your calculator to express that number

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 03 May 2007, 12:09

Hay guys, I hear pluto is 99206706771272430000mm away from the sun lawl.

tooleh · Post by **tooleh** » 03 May 2007, 13:47

Surely they mean 4 8 15 16 23 42 ?

KDR_11k · Post by **KDR_11k** » 03 May 2007, 18:02

Number no longer works? Who cares, they just broke the whole scheme!

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 04 May 2007, 19:18

Well, since its now spread that far, it can be claimed to be reverse engineered, in which case, if I remember correctly, any copyright or trademark is defunct, if they didn't patent the encryption system.

TheRegisteredOne · Post by **TheRegisteredOne** » 05 May 2007, 00:11

Ishach wrote:check it out if you write your forums password in a post it comes up as stars

*********

******** :O

CompWiz · Post by **CompWiz** » 05 May 2007, 00:18

PinkPonies

EDIT: WTF IT DOES NOT!!!!!

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 05 May 2007, 00:31

That is smoth's password!

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 05 May 2007, 00:49

CompWiz wrote:PinkPonies

HOW DID YOU KNOW!?!?!

Zpock · Post by **Zpock** » 05 May 2007, 02:28

back ontopic:

I HEREBY OWN THE NUMBVER 1 AND ANYONE USING IT HAS TO PAY ME 1 DOLLARS PER USE!!!!

KingRaptor · Post by **KingRaptor** » 05 May 2007, 02:39

Zpock wrote:I HEREBY OWN THE NUMBVER 1 AND ANYONE USING IT HAS TO PAY ME 1 DOLLARS PER USE!!!!

CURSES!

Guess we'll just have to use 0.999... instead.

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