Spring Drama

[Neddie]

I've actually been online and active for a full 24 a few times in the last month. We are working on some things, but I am ill and will not be online any time soon. I apologize for the delay.

[Jazcash]

I've actually been online and active for a full 24 a few times in the last month. We are working on some things, but I am ill and will not be online any time soon. I apologize for the delay.

We forgive you. Now go get better.

[Neddie]

http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19661

People asserted a desire for more input, here is your chance to contribute to some of the decisions being made at present.

[Raghna]

Finally, thanks a lot neddie for at last indeed DOING something.
Even though I don't spend a lot of time on the forums or talking about Spring, but more about actually playing it, I still have very strong oppinions about this discussion.

I must agree with Jaz that there really is a problem and it needs solving...NOW or it'll be never.

And for like 90% of this thread has been like people completly getting the wrong idea of what Jaz wanted to say and it remained like offtopic, despite Jaz's attempts.

Though this post might look like a application letter for the 'job' as moderator from Jaz I'm sure he'd do it perfectly well and has contributed much to Spring and tried with honnest goals to help this community, what can not be said about many around.
(not that there aren't any obviously, I still appreciate a lot everything the mods do in favor of the community)

Also even though I have no idea who AF is, he seemed to make a whole more sence and being a whole lot more about resolving this problem than any of the bashers who where against him and I approve of his ideas.

To be at least a bit constructive here, I'd like to say that even though I think that devs and mod have been doing a great job to keep this community alive and kicking for so many years now, something that many others have tried but failed, I feel that there is indeed a growing frustration about problem resolving, and the same problems, the same ideas, same solutions keep popping up again and again, but no systematical solution is to be fixed. And even if temporairly a concecus is reached on the forum, anything of this is far, like light years away, of becomming even remotly known to most players who bearly know this forum exist, and obviously, to new players.

So it results in the problem being brought up yet again and the whole process being repeated again and again.

Next to this morality of moderators, I feel as there's a bigger need for a decent 'rulebook' as to say. But not like just a readme file that's left aside and completly ignored, more like an active numeration of rules that are non-mod related and is known by more than just forum-people and mods...

This is not just an idea, it's how things are. You might do whatever you want with it, icba, unless you want me to.

P.S.: Thank you to everyone who's actively helping Spring for its best!

[Neddie]

Relatively few people, considering how many stand up to complain, have stood up to actually message me. Please message me if you have any candidates.

[Regret]

Relatively few people, considering how many stand up to complain, have stood up to actually message me. Please message me if you have any candidates.

Doing it wrong.

[Master-Athmos]

Well I guess most people don't really know each other and so they won't know if someone actually would want / have time to do a mod job. So they won't suggest anyone. Asking somehow like "I'd like to suggest you being a mod - what do you think about" is ... well ... let's say people won't do that either...

Maybe allow self-nominations - people might be more eager to do so (and well as it's not going to be public there's no e-peen to get by doing it)...

[Neddie]

Relatively few people, considering how many stand up to complain, have stood up to actually message me. Please message me if you have any candidates.

Doing it wrong.

Doing it right.

The other options are to provide an email address or to start a topic. The former will be met with the same problems though I will undoubtedly receive a lot of spam as I do every time I offer an email address to deal with a problem. As for topics - unfortunately, nominations, like voting, are best insulated from one another to avoid cults of personality, visible power block formation, social pressure, and derailment.

Self-nominations are largely valueless. Maybe one in a score of the people who will nominate themselves will do so out of anything beyond self-aggrandizement, and self-nominations reduce the need for serious thought on the point.

[Regret]

Doing it right.

You want others to name people which will be reviewed by the moderator team. For anyone to have any chance at all to be made a moderator he must be well known by the moderator team else he wont be accepted.

You are doing it wrong because what you ask of people is to provide something the moderation staff already knows.

[Neddie]

We're not going to merely act once all the suggestions are in, I'm going to go and watch these people, I'm going to take the time to get to know them better. The moderation team is included in the process as a filter, not as an enabling body. Your interpretation is an inverted reality.

[AF]

Also even though I have no idea who AF is, he seemed to make a whole more sence and being a whole lot more about resolving this problem than any of the bashers who where against him and I approve of his ideas.

I do have reasoning behind what i say, though Ive mortally offended just about everyone on these forums already, and people have agendas, so I dont expect people to agree, because its just AF banging the same old drum as far as they're concerned

Should you be agreeing with me though say so, and if your following what I'm saying and want to actually execute it, then Ill help you if you want me to.

[Regret]

Your interpretation is an inverted reality.

Or you communicated your idea badly.

[Raghna]

As for the moment I'm rather unavailable to help in my current situation, although I hope I'll soon be bable again to get fulltime control of my own computer...

neddie, maybe approach people personally and ask them personally to reply to your call, like:
hey, who would you nominate as mod? really? why? could you post this here please?

I'd do it if I had the lobby on this public computer.

[Nixa]

Heh, you guys are lucky, if you don't like the people playing the game you can just go to another one. In european timezones there are usually 6 or 7 full games around.

In my timezone (NZ/AUS) there is usually 1 game, and that's usually not full. To make it worse there are 0 regular admins in this timezone so trolls like Vulkanis can freely roam. I'm sick of being trolled on when my clan plays, wins, and then gets kicked by people that can't be &%^##% improving their 'adv solar/mm' playstyle (BA related). Even worse is that I don't take trolling with an open hand, so I troll them right back, even though I don't really want to. Regular admins on the NZ/AUS timezone please, I recommend Niobium (or myself 'chukkles') at least we try to develop this game, whether it be through mapping, or widgets, we try to make this a better place

[Jazcash]

Dizekat for mod!

[Gota]

Sigh...
Need a player than plays spring a lot,have been playing it for a while,is not hot headed or cares about drama.
The issues is that 99% of these people do not want to be moderators.
It is silly to expect people with power to be people who do not want it...
The Point is to have people who want to moderate(even if they don't seem to be the MOST appropriate moderators)but make sure they are themselves moderated by being a good representation of the spring community(as opposed to moderators picking their friends or people they know;self nomination) and are not from the same group of people with the same needs and wants.

Self moderation,good representation,voting inside the moderation staff and good strict adherence to rules for user and moderator behaviors with rare exceptions is what will resolve moderation issues IMO.
nevertheless I nominate SteveZissau,here,publicly.

I just want to state again that IMO,having moderators that do not want to be moderators will backfire.
You will have an idle moderation team that will not do much moderation or try to improve it and will not be active about it(isn't that partially the problem now?should the same mistake be repeated?)...

[Jazcash]

I hate the idea that if you ask/nominate yourself to be a moderator then you wouldn't be a good moderator.

What a load of shit.

Barack Obama didn't get elected because someone thought he'd make a good president. He ran for election.

[Master-Athmos]

Barack Obama didn't get elected because someone thought he'd make a good president. He ran for election.

He actually pretty much said he doesn't want to be one like a year or so before his campaign - but enough of the OT...

As said I also don't really see the point in no self-nominations (although not having them is no disaster). As the nominations wouldn't be public the ego-driven guys most certainly won't apply and you might get candidates that won't get nominated otherwise for various reasons plus you'll immediately get people that actually would want to do the job. I mean it's kinda useless if you discuss the internally, pick some guys and then it turns out they don't want to do so at all. You might of course ask them after getting a nomination but that'd defeat the presented reasoning against self-nominations (as asking people out imo pretty much is the same as getting their decision in the first place)...

But oh well - let's not put too much drama into this minor topic...

[Jazcash]

I say if you think you're up for the job, you should say so.