Could you PLEASE ban ZergZergLOL

[Forboding Angel]

The lobby moderators are a complete joke. Everyone buys into this "must tolerate this/that" and that they must maintain "equality". <--- load of hippie bullshit.

No, if someone is an asshat, they should be banned, period. They are welcome to play vs an AI.

[Egarwaen]

No, if someone is an asshat, they should be banned, period. They are welcome to play vs an AI.

So, Forboding, if someone (trivially) fakes up a replay showing you teamkilling, you should be banned?

The problem is that replays demonstrating misbehaviour are trivially faked and there's no good guidelines as to what constitutes "asshattery". Some would consider it just teamkilling. Others might include commbombing, or even just playing aggressively with a comm. I've been accused of "comm rushing" by 4/6 players in a game for walking up to and D-Gunning an unprotected Guardian. Should I be banned?

[Felix the Cat]

Egarwaen, do you really think there's compare between "commrushing" and "nuking your own teammate's base"?

[Egarwaen]

Egarwaen, do you really think there's compare between "commrushing" and "nuking your own teammate's base"?

I don't. But the issue is where the line gets drawn. "Nuking your teammate's base" is obviously unacceptable, but some people consider using a Commander offensively in any way to be unacceptable, while others consider commrushing, commbombing, commnapping, and pretty much anything else to be perfectly fine.

That's why I think the proper solution is to integrate host banlists into the official client.

[LordMatt]

I think harming your teammates is asshattery anything else is tactics.

That's why I think the proper solution is to integrate host banlists into the official client.

Agreed.

[Forboding Angel]

No, if someone is an asshat, they should be banned, period. They are welcome to play vs an AI.

So, Forboding, if someone (trivially) fakes up a replay showing you teamkilling, you should be banned?

You're comparing apples and oranges. If there is a discrepancy with the replay, the 20 other people coming out and saying the same thing happened should be a good indicator.

However, anyone who knows me at all is very well aware that I hate people who are bad sports. I don't get super mad when I lose. I do get mad at myself for making dumb mistakes, but that is another thing entirely as I am recognizing from the get go that it is my own fault and no one elses.

When someone is pounding the hell out of me I fight to the last man.

I ahve told this story before, but back on boneyards one time me and 2 other guys were playing an FFA on a crystal water map. I was utterly buttraped by the both of them and only had 1 con plane left. 2 Hours later I won the game (/me <3 radar jammers ).

The point is, I never give up.

If someone is a poor sport and decided that it would be a good idea to destroy his ally's base then I see that as something fundamentally wrong and should be dealt with.

I see that you disagree, however.

[Felix the Cat]

Egarwaen, do you really think there's compare between "commrushing" and "nuking your own teammate's base"?

I don't. But the issue is where the line gets drawn. "Nuking your teammate's base" is obviously unacceptable, but some people consider using a Commander offensively in any way to be unacceptable, while others consider commrushing, commbombing, commnapping, and pretty much anything else to be perfectly fine.

That's why I think the proper solution is to integrate host banlists into the official client.

There's a very, very clear line between harming your enemies and harming your allies. The former is the point of the game. The latter is unacceptable.

[Egarwaen]

There's a very, very clear line between harming your enemies and harming your allies. The former is the point of the game. The latter is unacceptable.

Great. I'm playing offensively with my commander and it gets damaged. I pull back into your lines and it blows up, blasting a great big hole in them and causing you to lose your base.

Should I be banned? After all, I've seriously harmed my allies, and you've just said that's unacceptable.

I accidentally leave a Guardian on high trajectory and it starts firing on some units attacking your defences, but hits your Commander instead (who's up front d-gunning things) and finishes him off, blasting a great big hole in your lines and causing you to lose your base.

Should I be banned? After all, I've seriously harmed my allies, and you've just said that's unacceptable.

Again: far too much of a gray area for a permanent server-wide ban. The proper solution is host-maintained banlists like those found in AltaMod. The host was there, they know what happened. They get to set their own rules, the ambiguity becomes irrelevant.

[j5mello]

all ur examples are obviously not purposeful attempts at harming ur allies which many people here consider a bannable offense.

[Lolsquad_Steven]

Some one should lock this now. Obviously this is getting nowhere.

[Ishach]

all ur examples are obviously not purposeful attempts at harming ur allies which many people here consider a bannable offense.

Again, so you want the volounteer moderators to spend their time watching replays deciding the intent of the person that has been called out as a teamkiller.



You complain about the teamkiller ruining your game time, but wouldnt you be making the moderator spend as much time just to validate it?

[Egarwaen]

all ur examples are obviously not purposeful attempts at harming ur allies which many people here consider a bannable offense.

Are they? Doesn't sound particularly hard to me to intentionally screw with your allies using these "mistakes". And exactly the kind of thing that requires a replay to confirm. And then we're back into the easily-hacked-replay territory.

[Felix the Cat]

Okay, whatever, I'm finished. Steven, I'll stop trying to get your lover banned. At least I hope you realize that Zerg's teamkilling was intentional, premeditated, and meant that the players of the game had wasted an hour of their time. But I can see you care about none of that. Oh well.

I'm going to open another thread at some point with my ideas on how we can prevent things like this in the future.

I'm not self-centered enough to call for threads to be locked when I lose interest in them, but I have lost interest in this particular time-wasting argument.

[Egarwaen]

I'm going to open another thread at some point with my ideas on how we can prevent things like this in the future.

Host-controlled banlists.

[Neddie]

I personally have been waiting for a lock on this thread for about four days now. It's getting nowhere, and it singles out an individual user for essentially a community trial, which I consider wrong.

[Johns_Volition]

I think ingame behaviour should not be subject of moderated banning. It just seems to hard to proof. Also if you know someone making an arse of himself, just ignore him and don't play with him anymore.

Furthermore I don't think that comrushing should be a bannable offense AT ALL, since a single lasertower can handle the com and losing the com near beginning will cripple your expansion.
If you argue that "hey i'm rushing, therefore I don't have the ressources for a laser tower" I would say that IS a risk you always take with rushing. It comes with a price.
If you argue that "Hey my lasertower was on the wrong spot.. Well that's you fault again.

Comrushing might not be the etiquette, but it is nowhere near cheating nor braking any rules.

[Candleman]

How about we ban this guy for ally-nuking and discuss where the line is later?

[Johns_Volition]

how about we just lock this thread and ignore it.

[Felix the Cat]

I think ingame behaviour should not be subject of moderated banning. It just seems to hard to proof. Also if you know someone making an arse of himself, just ignore him and don't play with him anymore.

Furthermore I don't think that comrushing should be a bannable offense AT ALL, since a single lasertower can handle the com and losing the com near beginning will cripple your expansion.
If you argue that "hey i'm rushing, therefore I don't have the ressources for a laser tower" I would say that IS a risk you always take with rushing. It comes with a price.
If you argue that "Hey my lasertower was on the wrong spot.. Well that's you fault again.

Comrushing might not be the etiquette, but it is nowhere near cheating nor braking any rules.

Gah, you're making me break my promise.

Nobody is arguing for banning anyone for any tactic used against enemies. That's a matter of personal taste and agreement among players. Egarwaen is basically making a slippery-slope argument, since we all know slippery-slope arguments are valid arguments .

So basically, everyone who has posted in this thread agrees with everything in your post, except for the first paragraph.

[Das Bruce]

I think ingame behaviour should not be subject of moderated banning. It just seems to hard to proof. Also if you know someone making an arse of himself, just ignore him and don't play with him anymore.

Furthermore I don't think that comrushing should be a bannable offense AT ALL, since a single lasertower can handle the com and losing the com near beginning will cripple your expansion.
If you argue that "hey i'm rushing, therefore I don't have the ressources for a laser tower" I would say that IS a risk you always take with rushing. It comes with a price.
If you argue that "Hey my lasertower was on the wrong spot.. Well that's you fault again.

Comrushing might not be the etiquette, but it is nowhere near cheating nor braking any rules.

Did you read the thread or just decide you liked the sound of your voice?