Recent Forum Discussions & Locked Threads

[tombom]

AF as much as we both want it, it will never happen, the mods just don't seem to actually want to use their power to help the community.

Yeah, being a good moderator is really easy and all the problems are because they know exactly what to do but are too lazy to do it

[Neddie]

You are within the permissions of this thread to critique the moderation as you wish. I will close it in one week.

[SwiftSpear]

This forum lacks the features to maintain an "everyone who looks at someone the wrong way" gets a temp ban standard anyways.

I fundamentally don't believe in permanent bans, they serve no role whatsoever, that being said, we have a few temp bans that have been in action for more than a year now, which I think is more then long enough to teach someone a lesson. We have issued long tempbans in the past too. Trust me, fuck with spring administration and we'll make it hurt.

The thing is, the majority of the time YOU won't see us at work, except for minor things. It's not appropriate to report bans publicly, so most of them are never announced. 3 strikes degrade over time, yes, but it requires ALOT more duration than 48 hours, thanks for pulling numbers out of a hat though.

We have very rarely had someone get to even 2 strikes though... Tired once did a good year ago, I think forb did once... I can't recall when exactly. Renneti and emanual broke 3 strikes each, you don't see them around any more eh? A few more who's strikes I'm still considering active so I won't go into details.

Moderation isn't as robust as it should be, I agree, we miss more than we should, but it's more a problem with not having enough moderators around to see everything than being not strict enough.

[clericvash]

Also, this forum lacks a report post function, phpbb3 i do believe has it, that would make things a lot easier for the mods. :)

[LordMatt]

Also, this forum lacks a report post function, phpbb3 i do believe has it, that would make things a lot easier for the mods. :)

+1

[hunterw]

the best moderation is one that leans towards leniency.

i haven't seen any real problem with moderation on this forum - i think it's perfect the way it is. i'd actually like to see less edited and deleted posts if anything.

[Felix the Cat]

You are within the permissions of this thread to critique the moderation as you wish. I will close it in one week.

Why close it in one week?

Really, I respect you, Neddie, but if this is the approach you are going to take with your newfound powers, I will personally be very disinclined to keep reading and posting here.

[SwiftSpear]

um... he started the thread, he can close it when he wishes... still, I don't see the point of bothering to put an exact time on the discussion

[Snipawolf]

Well, eventually, this discussion will degrade anyways.

Though, like others have said, leniency is generally pretty useful. I like to read the more flamey posts, because they generally are just trying to get a point across, a bit too snapishly though. So, by deleting the whole post, nobody ever even sees the point he raised.

It is their choice in the end, though.

[Felix the Cat]

um... he started the thread, he can close it when he wishes... still, I don't see the point of bothering to put an exact time on the discussion

So if I start a thread I can close it whenever I wish?

Nice to know.

[Neddie]

You've always been allowed to have your threads closed.

I'm closing it in a week because it will degrade. I can start another one afterwards, depending on need.

[Warlord Zsinj]

Why not announce public bannings?

Bring back the stockades, says I!

(See, I was going to post a big picture of a tomato-stained miscreant in the stockades, but decided to refrain )

[Dragon45]

public ban list would be awesome B)

[Pressure Line]

just want to emphasize once more to the people who think the little things make no difference..

little things over time can drive people insane in real life.

content creators have to be around for the duration of their projects which can take years!

its true! it happened to me!

*edit* i feel compelled to mention this was before i joined the community as a moddev

[AF]

I've been refused the option of locking my own thread by moderators in the post and there's no mechanism for doing ti myself without moderator status.

In the mean time there are people who have a vested interest in lenient moderation attitudes.

[SwiftSpear]

All things within reason AF. If neddie locks the thread at an inopportune time he'll find it unlocked as well.

As for people with vested interests in lenient moderator attitudes, it's worth noting you were recently warned for trolling both satiric and peet in separate instances... as well as betalord in the distant past. Don't be so arrogant to assume your perception of yourself is the same one that everyone else shares. Lenient moderator attitudes give alot of current springers with little personality quirks the room they need to be them selfs, chances are however, if you can report evidence for me of these trends being abused, specific spring members may suddenly find the attitudes less lenient.

The reality is, our lenience is limited to those who from our perspective aren't obviously abusing it. If a child climbs onto the sofa, the parent scolds the child and pulls him down, from the parent's perspective the transgression is most likely ignorance, not malevolence. If the child continues, obviously ignoring the parent, and grinning all along as the parent addresses him, that is the point at which the parent takes the child, puts him in a corner, and sets the timer for 10 minutes. Simply put, the worst possible way of doing things is not tailoring the punishment to the intent of the individual committing the crime. No one learns if the punishment does not suit the intent.

[Warlord Zsinj]

The problem is that you aren't dealing with children who are learning their way with the world, and are infinitely malleable and impressionable. For the most part you're dealing with adults, or atleast teenagers, who are fully aware and in control of their actions. They are not going to be slowly 'taught' not to do something.

It's not really social conditioning, or infantile learning patterns - it's "you're old enough to effing know better, our rules are are posted at the very top of this forum. Behave yourself or get out."

And sure, warnings are fine. But time and again, it is the same people doing the same things, and there are warning after warnings, but nothing actually done. The result is that transgressors realise that the moderators are all bark and no bite - resulting in quite the opposite to the slow learning process that I think you are attempting to foster.

[AF]

I and my logs are unaware of any moderator involvement involving satiric in both the forum and lobby. No warnings no enforcement nothing of any kind.

I am unaware of any forum moderation involving peet, I cant remember a single argument or tiff on these forums that was specifically with peet. Infact any issues with peet were lobby orientated or involved the XTA forums. With regards to trolling them, I disagree and I could provide a truckload of evidence to say it was defensive.

However even if the point was flawed, it would still be a moot point if you'd read my posts properly. For example:

I think forebodings point still stands. There are people who value the community above themselves and would have no problem pushing for better rules even if they know it means they're going to be caught by them and made an example of. And by my reasoning effective enforcement would prevent many such outbursts occurring in the first place.

So somehow, I have been moderated (yet unaware of being moderated), for trolling 2 people on the forums (despite being unaware of any unprovoked attacks on my behalf against them), and somewhere in this thred I've said I am an angel who would never be subject to moderation (despite being unaware of such a statement and repeatedly saying moderation should not hold anyone as beyond moderating and evens aying there are many people who would not mind being made an example to serve the greater good fo the community).

[tombom]

And sure, warnings are fine. But time and again, it is the same people doing the same things, and there are warning after warnings, but nothing actually done. The result is that transgressors realise that the moderators are all bark and no bite - resulting in quite the opposite to the slow learning process that I think you are attempting to foster.

If there are the same people doing the same things over and over again, I'd like some examples. Referring to "some people" all the time makes it hard to discuss.

[SwiftSpear]

Based on the social competence of the majority of the forum users here zsinj, my child analogy isn't nearly as invalid as you'd have people believe it is.

VERY few forum users here function with a fraction of the empathy and diplomacy I'd really like to see. I REALLY have never felt as if in my role I've been punishing people well knowingly and maliciously antagonizing eachother, the VAST majority of the work I do here is damage control caused by people making stupid social blunders.

It can be argued that they SHOULD know better, but most of the time they don't. I'm not mean spirited enough to ban people for two weeks for using harsh words against someone they perceive is infringing on their content rather than managing it personally via PM before it explodes publicly, quite probably entirely avoiding the event. Also, we have several users that quite literally are 12-14 years old, it's not sane to expect the same behavioral competency out of them that's expected from an adult.