Lame Tactics - a History and Analysis

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 23 Apr 2006, 09:56

Andreask wrote:Spring has nothing to do with role-playing.

Coming Soon: Spring d20

Yes, I'm a L 13 Comm / L 2 Jethro

Baby, you know I can roll my spot check for that Gremlin.

Zenka · Post by **Zenka** » 23 Apr 2006, 10:04

hide!

(I roll 18... hmm +2 size modifier, +2 for my spy class, +20 for my cloaking device... hmmm 42! am I hidden?)

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 23 Apr 2006, 10:16

Curse you, small annoying stealth tank! I enter total defense mode and gain a corresponding bonus to AC!

jellyman · Post by **jellyman** » 23 Apr 2006, 13:07

Well I'm just gonna camp on speed metal until the ring of Krogoth summoning respawns.

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 23 Apr 2006, 15:11

*sigh* For all the people complaining bout commbomb n all that...

"All is fair in love and war, and I highly doubt the enemy loves you."

However, I do hold that pausing to do micro is a bit lame to do.... And could easily be fixed by making it so orders can't be issued in pause.

Course, for those of you who think any tactic involving the comm is lame, I'm SURE a mod can be made where the comm is simply a block that sits there and does nothing..... </sarcasm>

Yes, commbombing is a pain in the ass. And yes, it happens. But guess what. LLT x 3 > Comm
Defender + Radar > Comm
Sentinel > Comm
3 x Peewee + 1 x Hammer > Comm
The Comm is NOT unstopable. Its not invunerable. And if you've checked, the D-guns range is damn short.

As for playing AA, or even XTA, OF COURSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET OTA TACTICS THERE.... THEY ARE CALLED MODS FOR A REASON... *sigh*

This post brought to you by the annoy confederation of people who have some clue what they are doing.

Also, theres perfectly good AI to play against, and it doesn't commbomb. Go play it.

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 23 Apr 2006, 15:36

What if they made a game where pauseing for micro was the ENTIRE POINT!

Like some kind of turn based spring?

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 23 Apr 2006, 17:55

Zoombie wrote:What if they made a game where pauseing for micro was the ENTIRE POINT!

Like some kind of turn based spring?

Then its a mod for that purpose and therefore part of the game. But its not part of OTA, which is what we are discussing.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » 24 Apr 2006, 01:08

http://www.arena52gaming.com/members/wa ... mmandments

<_< >_>

IceXuick · Post by **IceXuick** » 24 Apr 2006, 04:58

lol @ the commandments !

praise TA Spring!

Dragon45 · Post by **Dragon45** » 24 Apr 2006, 06:12

sieg heil!

patmo98 · Post by **patmo98** » 24 Apr 2006, 17:31

BlackLiger wrote: Defender + Radar > Comm

Can't the commander get in D-gun or laser range before he dies?

BlackLiger · Post by **BlackLiger** » 24 Apr 2006, 18:41

patmo98 wrote:
BlackLiger wrote: Defender + Radar > Comm
Can't the commander get in D-gun or laser range before he dies?

Vs a defender? Not if its well placed. A defender on the same height as the comm is vunerable. But 1 on the high ground has a range boost (1 of the BEST features of spring)

Thats why I would sugest LLT+Defender+Radar as the best anti com rush spike...

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » 24 Apr 2006, 22:39

3 x Peewee + 1 x Hammer > Comm

I would like to see that

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Cheesecan · Post by **Cheesecan** » 25 Apr 2006, 15:26

There are no lame moves ingame, just lame exploits.

For example, picking white color on a snow map where minimap is completely white, then using a sneaky tactic to sneak into the opponents base while the enemy has no chance of detecting you on the radar with his own eyes.
This is just one example, but the best I can think of right now. They can of course be avoided, but even the greatest player will lose to stuff like this at least once as they weren't expecting it(unless they themselves did something similar previously).

Obviously things are only lame when used against you, not when you are doing them yourself..

Hyalin · Post by **Hyalin** » 30 May 2006, 22:25

Cheesecan wrote:There are no lame moves ingame, just lame exploits.

For example, picking white color on a snow map where minimap is completely white, then using a sneaky tactic to sneak into the opponents base while the enemy has no chance of detecting you on the radar with his own eyes.

In the Settings utility, there's a checkbox for 'simplify minimap'

Makes all your units green, friendlies blue, and enemies red.

espylaub · Post by **espylaub** » 30 May 2006, 23:04

Azu wrote:Tic tac toe requires a lot of skill.

In fact, the only winning move is not to play. 2 players of equal skill will always end the game in a draw. Every single time. Not a very good analogy.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 30 May 2006, 23:33

Hyalin wrote:
Cheesecan wrote:There are no lame moves ingame, just lame exploits.

For example, picking white color on a snow map where minimap is completely white, then using a sneaky tactic to sneak into the opponents base while the enemy has no chance of detecting you on the radar with his own eyes.
In the Settings utility, there's a checkbox for 'simplify minimap'

Makes all your units green, friendlies blue, and enemies red.

As a better solution, download the radarai groupai from FU. Or just wai for the next spring version as it is being included.

Hyalin · Post by **Hyalin** » 30 May 2006, 23:35

Good to know... haven't sprung in a while.

Pxtl · Post by **Pxtl** » 31 May 2006, 02:27

Can someone explain to me all this worry about comnapping? Are there people out there who actually keep their comm away from the defensive emplacements? In my game the comm stays near the HLTs, radar, and anti-air launchers. Or is this a start-of-the-game problem? Seriously, I woudl think a hover transport would have trouble getting close enough to the comm to nap him and live to tell about it.

Although, imho, the Commbomb wasn't made as a gameplay feature for game-continues. I've no proof - I haven't asked Chris Taylor, but I'm pretty sure it was made for "Game Ends" and "Deathmatch".

Pocus · Post by **Pocus** » 31 May 2006, 18:35

BlackLiger wrote:
patmo98 wrote:
BlackLiger wrote: Defender + Radar > Comm
Can't the commander get in D-gun or laser range before he dies?
Vs a defender? Not if its well placed. A defender on the same height as the comm is vunerable. But 1 on the high ground has a range boost (1 of the BEST features of spring)

any formula to throw at me?

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Lame Tactics - a History and Analysis

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