Hear hear! I haven't been able to play for a month, since I'm both moderating and working on several projects. Could do with more game play.1v0ry_k1ng wrote:some of us only have a few hours a week for spring and would rather spend that time playing the game.
I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
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Re: I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
Seemed your prior post was saying that a person cannot be productive and still have a life. Which is why I was attacking it with vigor.
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The problem here is your both assuming that being productive and having a life are mutually exclusive.
One can have a life through beign productive!
One can have a life through beign productive!
Re: I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
Af no I am not. Read my post.... I have a life if not a more active one than most.
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I was watching tower of druga(very cool anime btw) so I missed him...
but i was asked:
[07:45:54] <sheek> hi
[07:46:00] <sheek> question about a post on the forums
[07:47:31] <sheek> you say in the last 4 years you have done x,y,z,i all the while making progress on gundam...your daily schedule must be crazy.
[07:48:07] <sheek> out of curiosity how many hours a week do you work on gundam? im just wondering as I too am trying to find a balance
The answer is that I multi-task and make the most of all of my time. When I was on flights to australia I modeled the zaku2, using airport power to recharge for the next flight. The animations for the new zaku2 were done at 5am while I watched the sunrise over the blue danube:
(this was the actual sunrise)
So really if you have idle moments you do several things. Right now I am working on Gundam rts map features while working on a side project, and working on a new ui for the s44 guys. If I have a doctors apointment or something where I am sitting around I hand write code on napkins and notebooks or put together reference models(plamo). Of course it is thanksgiving today so I am about to start a pot of soup and watch some more anime(I hope the soup comes out well).
Anyway, I hope that gives some idea of what and how I work. When I was doing the grts maps I was using my pc strictly for building giant textures and while that was going I was doing lua on my laptop. All about using your time to the most. Also I only sleep about 4-6 hours a night.
but i was asked:
[07:45:54] <sheek> hi
[07:46:00] <sheek> question about a post on the forums
[07:47:31] <sheek> you say in the last 4 years you have done x,y,z,i all the while making progress on gundam...your daily schedule must be crazy.
[07:48:07] <sheek> out of curiosity how many hours a week do you work on gundam? im just wondering as I too am trying to find a balance
The answer is that I multi-task and make the most of all of my time. When I was on flights to australia I modeled the zaku2, using airport power to recharge for the next flight. The animations for the new zaku2 were done at 5am while I watched the sunrise over the blue danube:
(this was the actual sunrise)
So really if you have idle moments you do several things. Right now I am working on Gundam rts map features while working on a side project, and working on a new ui for the s44 guys. If I have a doctors apointment or something where I am sitting around I hand write code on napkins and notebooks or put together reference models(plamo). Of course it is thanksgiving today so I am about to start a pot of soup and watch some more anime(I hope the soup comes out well).
Anyway, I hope that gives some idea of what and how I work. When I was doing the grts maps I was using my pc strictly for building giant textures and while that was going I was doing lua on my laptop. All about using your time to the most. Also I only sleep about 4-6 hours a night.
Re: I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
austria ?smoth wrote:When I was on flights to australia ... I watched the sunrise over the blue danube
anyway the real question is ... how many hours do you spend on your tower of defence ?
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I actually have been there also.Satirik wrote:austria ?smoth wrote:When I was on flights to australia ... I watched the sunrise over the blue danube
Right now none. Good to know you have not developed new ways of trolling me.Satirik wrote:anyway the real question is ... how many hours do you spend on your tower of defence ?
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Not trolling... we just REALLY like tower defense games and the teaser art you have shown us thus far has been so incredible and with our experience of Gundam being so awesome we just know TD is going to rock so we just really hope at all times that you are working towards it...smoth wrote:Right now none. Good to know you have not developed new ways of trolling me.Satirik wrote:anyway the real question is ... how many hours do you spend on your tower of defence ?
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he used to harass me about it on a regular basis in lobby until I set him on ignore.
Re: I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
sinbad, thought about your first post at work today.
brilliance refers to something so magnificently amazing that it captivates you as it stands out from a bed of mediocrity. i've never actually seen anything you've done, so forgive me if to me this seems a bit ridiculous (i think of you as the metroid rather than "the guy that did ....")*potential* brilliance? perhaps, nobody would deny that. but then, you go on to say that you've never actually completed any big projects in your life (which probably is an exaggeration, you just cant think of them)... so... i mean, what can we, as spring forum users take away from this? you tell me. anyways. im pretty sure you didn't mean to call us mediocre, but that was sort of how it came out.
whatever, just nitpicking there. the first time i read it i WTF'ed at that though.
anyways. onto my own rambling post.
you say you're content... but are you? you pretty much say you failed at everything you tried, which is probably BS, but if that's how you feel, then i don't blame you for not having the ambition to put in time and effort of something, if you feel you're going to fail at it anyways. this is a shitty attitude to have, just throwing that out there.
i began work about 5 years ago on something not unlike what you described, with an isometric tile-set just like in the example picture. the problem with getting people to help you is that people who MIGHT have the knowledge and experience to work on a project like that are also aware of the mind numbingly complex and huge amounts of coding that such a project entails. in order to get help: give a little, get a little!
there are about a million projects right here on this forum clamouring for help. i've probably started about a thousand games and mods of different types, many of which never made it to a playable stage. even by picking a spring mod to help (evo seemed like it could benefit the most out of anything i was aware of at the time) and doing only a small portion of work, it's still a shit-ton of work. people are not willing to pound out work based only on an idea... well, maybe some are, im just giving you a real-world example of the perception of someone who MIGHT be interested in helping and "donating" hundreds of hours of help. i chose to help evo because quite frankly, i enjoyed the hell out of it, saw the call for models, and that was my opportunity to be helpful. not saying im a badass modeller or anything, im just saying that after seeing that someone else had poured hundreds of hours into something as a labour of love, it captured my imaginations and it was pretty much a guarantee to me that i was going to be able to see a turnaround on my work. im sure if i hadnt taken the challenge, someone else would have eventually.
i fail often. in fact, the things im good at, im good at them because i failed at them so many times but eventually got the hang of it.
if you DO start an ambitious project, and put in the work, you will be rewarded by a sense of self satisfaction for accomplishments you make along the way, even if you never finish. this goes for anything, from spring mods to fine art to writing a novel to taking over the world. the whole point of having a hobby and working on a project is that you enjoy it and it enriches your life. i wouldn't say finishing a creative project is better than sex, but it gives you a nice ego massage when you can look back and go "oh yeahhhh! i finished the shit out of that shit!"
for your project, do what YOU can do, and then display the results. i can guarantee you'll get about 1000x more pixelly elves and magic gems if you can show off what you were able to do with your programming skills... if you can program something awesome, somebody will make the artwork and content for you.
good ideas can only get you so far. for instance, right now, im thinking of eating a sandwich. i can picture it so perfectly in my mind right now, dripping with grease and deli meat and melted cheese. however, i can't reach into my head and grab the sandwich... so no matter how awesome said sandwich will be in my mind, im going to be hungry unless i go and eat it.
its the difference between fapping and thinking about fapping. its not a bad idea, but actually seeing it through to the end is much more enjoyable and rewarding.
go and make the sandwich, sinbad. and then fap. and THEN tell me you're still too lazy to start making your game.
brilliance refers to something so magnificently amazing that it captivates you as it stands out from a bed of mediocrity. i've never actually seen anything you've done, so forgive me if to me this seems a bit ridiculous (i think of you as the metroid rather than "the guy that did ....")*potential* brilliance? perhaps, nobody would deny that. but then, you go on to say that you've never actually completed any big projects in your life (which probably is an exaggeration, you just cant think of them)... so... i mean, what can we, as spring forum users take away from this? you tell me. anyways. im pretty sure you didn't mean to call us mediocre, but that was sort of how it came out.
whatever, just nitpicking there. the first time i read it i WTF'ed at that though.
anyways. onto my own rambling post.
you say you're content... but are you? you pretty much say you failed at everything you tried, which is probably BS, but if that's how you feel, then i don't blame you for not having the ambition to put in time and effort of something, if you feel you're going to fail at it anyways. this is a shitty attitude to have, just throwing that out there.
i began work about 5 years ago on something not unlike what you described, with an isometric tile-set just like in the example picture. the problem with getting people to help you is that people who MIGHT have the knowledge and experience to work on a project like that are also aware of the mind numbingly complex and huge amounts of coding that such a project entails. in order to get help: give a little, get a little!
there are about a million projects right here on this forum clamouring for help. i've probably started about a thousand games and mods of different types, many of which never made it to a playable stage. even by picking a spring mod to help (evo seemed like it could benefit the most out of anything i was aware of at the time) and doing only a small portion of work, it's still a shit-ton of work. people are not willing to pound out work based only on an idea... well, maybe some are, im just giving you a real-world example of the perception of someone who MIGHT be interested in helping and "donating" hundreds of hours of help. i chose to help evo because quite frankly, i enjoyed the hell out of it, saw the call for models, and that was my opportunity to be helpful. not saying im a badass modeller or anything, im just saying that after seeing that someone else had poured hundreds of hours into something as a labour of love, it captured my imaginations and it was pretty much a guarantee to me that i was going to be able to see a turnaround on my work. im sure if i hadnt taken the challenge, someone else would have eventually.
i fail often. in fact, the things im good at, im good at them because i failed at them so many times but eventually got the hang of it.
if you DO start an ambitious project, and put in the work, you will be rewarded by a sense of self satisfaction for accomplishments you make along the way, even if you never finish. this goes for anything, from spring mods to fine art to writing a novel to taking over the world. the whole point of having a hobby and working on a project is that you enjoy it and it enriches your life. i wouldn't say finishing a creative project is better than sex, but it gives you a nice ego massage when you can look back and go "oh yeahhhh! i finished the shit out of that shit!"
for your project, do what YOU can do, and then display the results. i can guarantee you'll get about 1000x more pixelly elves and magic gems if you can show off what you were able to do with your programming skills... if you can program something awesome, somebody will make the artwork and content for you.
good ideas can only get you so far. for instance, right now, im thinking of eating a sandwich. i can picture it so perfectly in my mind right now, dripping with grease and deli meat and melted cheese. however, i can't reach into my head and grab the sandwich... so no matter how awesome said sandwich will be in my mind, im going to be hungry unless i go and eat it.
its the difference between fapping and thinking about fapping. its not a bad idea, but actually seeing it through to the end is much more enjoyable and rewarding.
go and make the sandwich, sinbad. and then fap. and THEN tell me you're still too lazy to start making your game.
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In truth kaiser, I am probably considered one of the more productive members here and beyond help here and there have had to do most of gundam by myself. It has been a VERY LONG 4 years and probably has another 1-2 years to go. I think that people starting a project or wanting to start one really need to stop acting like it is going to be a couple month long effort. These things are massive endeavors and frankly unless said developer has a decent team(see SWIW, S44) they are pretty much going to be in the never-ending hell that I am in. If people think I enjoy working on something I don't get to play they are crazy.
I spend most of my time working on something to get to play it. In truth getting gundam rts to version 2.0 is going to be a bigger deal to me than graduating college was. This project has almost become like a kid or beloved pet. I have put so much heart and soul into it that frankly I find it insane when people show up with a concept and declare how good it is going to be when they have barely done day 1 of code.
In truth there are developers here who make me drop my jaw in amazement when I look at their productivity. I find it shocking how few accolades that Azaremoth receives, that guy came out of nowhere and made his eyecrack filled project(STILL WAITING ON THAT NEXT RACE DAMN YOU!) We all know Zwzsg is a varitable master of stuff spring and TA. Then there is KDR_11k, someone I have metric fucktons of respect both for his work and great demeanor. You also have commited people like Nemo, Gnomre, Warlord Z, Spikedhelmet, flozi, and yes ARGH who have given years of their life to see some of these great projects. It just seems completely dismissive of the entire cargo ship of work these guys have done when someone pops up and acts like they are going to pop a project into a microwave and DONE.
I dunno where I am going with that.... just I guess it seems really arrogant when people act like they have some sort of concept that warrants others to do all the work for them. ESP when there are such phenomenally talented individuals who have much more experience and have been slaving away on stuff for years with no completed project to show.
I spend most of my time working on something to get to play it. In truth getting gundam rts to version 2.0 is going to be a bigger deal to me than graduating college was. This project has almost become like a kid or beloved pet. I have put so much heart and soul into it that frankly I find it insane when people show up with a concept and declare how good it is going to be when they have barely done day 1 of code.
In truth there are developers here who make me drop my jaw in amazement when I look at their productivity. I find it shocking how few accolades that Azaremoth receives, that guy came out of nowhere and made his eyecrack filled project(STILL WAITING ON THAT NEXT RACE DAMN YOU!) We all know Zwzsg is a varitable master of stuff spring and TA. Then there is KDR_11k, someone I have metric fucktons of respect both for his work and great demeanor. You also have commited people like Nemo, Gnomre, Warlord Z, Spikedhelmet, flozi, and yes ARGH who have given years of their life to see some of these great projects. It just seems completely dismissive of the entire cargo ship of work these guys have done when someone pops up and acts like they are going to pop a project into a microwave and DONE.
I dunno where I am going with that.... just I guess it seems really arrogant when people act like they have some sort of concept that warrants others to do all the work for them. ESP when there are such phenomenally talented individuals who have much more experience and have been slaving away on stuff for years with no completed project to show.
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Re: I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
This.smoth wrote:Smoth's last post
I mean, some people can draw up jizzworthy models and textures (Spiked, Smoth etc) others can write sexy code that can do just about anything short of give you a bj (zwzsg, KDR, jK) some people can work on the balance of a game for hours on end without getting tired of it.
but ANYONE who has grasped the fundamentals of using a mouse and keyboard (and, im sure someone stuck in a wheelchair using their tounge to operate the computer probably could) can make rubbish models and flat colour textures to begin building their spring game.
If you find that your idea *actually* will work, and is fun to play, then come to the forums and say "hey guys, ive got this game project going. got the gameplay and balance pretty sorted, i just need a bit of help with some of the art" guaranteed you'll get a better response than "I've got this wicked sick idea,all i need is someone to do all the artwork for me"
The difference of course being that one post is requesting a bit of help finishing off one area of a project, one is requesting someone else do the whole thing for them.
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There are exactly two kinds of people who want to develop video games:
1. People with the personality type required. These are either natural leaders who also have real skills, or lone-wolf polymaths. Nothing mysterious there, and Spring, as an engine, tends to magnify this, because the typical projects are so damn big and time-consuming.
The more the engine can do, the higher the fallout rate, too- people hit walls, where they simply aren't polymath enough, and don't have the personality to build a group. That is a problem for this project that I don't have a good solution for, tbh, but it's a subject for another time.
2. People who, as gifted as they may be, just don't have that type of personality.
There's nothing wrong with the second type. I don't mind sparring with them about ideas, either- just because you aren't a won't-sleep-must-work Type A with rabies doesn't mean you aren't smart. I certainly don't think they're worth being angry about. It isn't a morality issue, it's just that they don't have the right personality type.
In Sinbad's case, since his continual musings about using his forced "free time" to maybe explore this seems to run contrary to the grain... my advice is:
1. RL must come first. Gotta eat. There is no way to transform yourself into a credible game developer in a short timeframe, and it isn't trivial, either- go read the resumes on most of the people in the Industry, and you will rapidly see that they weren't just random street urchins who got picked up. Especially on the software engineering end.
2. If you are a person who, for whatever reasons, wants a partner or a team, that's fine- some really great games have been built that way.
But... here's the rub. Nobody joins a partnership to sink their spare time into if they think that the other person has nothing serious to offer. You want a partner? Best way to get one is to build something that demonstrates that you can put your Ideas into Reality in a very convincing way. Just how it is.
1. People with the personality type required. These are either natural leaders who also have real skills, or lone-wolf polymaths. Nothing mysterious there, and Spring, as an engine, tends to magnify this, because the typical projects are so damn big and time-consuming.
The more the engine can do, the higher the fallout rate, too- people hit walls, where they simply aren't polymath enough, and don't have the personality to build a group. That is a problem for this project that I don't have a good solution for, tbh, but it's a subject for another time.
2. People who, as gifted as they may be, just don't have that type of personality.
There's nothing wrong with the second type. I don't mind sparring with them about ideas, either- just because you aren't a won't-sleep-must-work Type A with rabies doesn't mean you aren't smart. I certainly don't think they're worth being angry about. It isn't a morality issue, it's just that they don't have the right personality type.
In Sinbad's case, since his continual musings about using his forced "free time" to maybe explore this seems to run contrary to the grain... my advice is:
1. RL must come first. Gotta eat. There is no way to transform yourself into a credible game developer in a short timeframe, and it isn't trivial, either- go read the resumes on most of the people in the Industry, and you will rapidly see that they weren't just random street urchins who got picked up. Especially on the software engineering end.
2. If you are a person who, for whatever reasons, wants a partner or a team, that's fine- some really great games have been built that way.
But... here's the rub. Nobody joins a partnership to sink their spare time into if they think that the other person has nothing serious to offer. You want a partner? Best way to get one is to build something that demonstrates that you can put your Ideas into Reality in a very convincing way. Just how it is.
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Re: I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
People who come up with great ideas all the time tend to be too preoccupied with whatever their latest mental obsession is to see through anything of great significance. It can be done, but it almost always requires the interest of some other person who is willing to reign in the mental abilities and keep redirecting focus to whatever the latest problem the specific project has.
Also, alot of the ideas are stupid, and it's just that not enough time has been spent studying them to figure it out yet. "Good thinkers" have a habit of modularizing things that end up becoming titans in realization when they are conceptualizing. It's what separates a true designer from an armchair idea man.
Most of the ideas that actually get done with any reasonable quality in the world are pretty small scoped, which is evidence enough that most dreamers have no ability to do. Even take spring... we could have started with "lets make a full featured new RTS engine that would be awesome for custom content developers to do all kinds of amazing things with". But that project would have never been finished. We started with "Lets make TA in 3D!" which is pretty much a terrible idea... but because it was someone's idea who actually had an ability to realize the goal, it got done anyways.
Also, alot of the ideas are stupid, and it's just that not enough time has been spent studying them to figure it out yet. "Good thinkers" have a habit of modularizing things that end up becoming titans in realization when they are conceptualizing. It's what separates a true designer from an armchair idea man.
Most of the ideas that actually get done with any reasonable quality in the world are pretty small scoped, which is evidence enough that most dreamers have no ability to do. Even take spring... we could have started with "lets make a full featured new RTS engine that would be awesome for custom content developers to do all kinds of amazing things with". But that project would have never been finished. We started with "Lets make TA in 3D!" which is pretty much a terrible idea... but because it was someone's idea who actually had an ability to realize the goal, it got done anyways.
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I regularly get ideas by the bucket load, and as productive as I am it does me cr*p all lol
People dont show their appreciation normally, its a given, and heck theres always the people getting ready to throw a spanner in the works the first opportunity they get ( goes without saying? lol )
Eitherway we should start a thread in the games forum and sticky it for people who want to start a new game so we dont end up with those embarassing threads announcing a new game when it hasnt even been started yet...
People dont show their appreciation normally, its a given, and heck theres always the people getting ready to throw a spanner in the works the first opportunity they get ( goes without saying? lol )
Eitherway we should start a thread in the games forum and sticky it for people who want to start a new game so we dont end up with those embarassing threads announcing a new game when it hasnt even been started yet...
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Notice the title of the topic I posted in? that's why I used the term brilliant. I meant in no way to imply that other people were mediocre... Even when I'm trying to be serious I have a tendency to use irony and sarcasm just out of habit.KaiserJ wrote:brilliance refers to something so magnificently amazing that it ... im pretty sure you didn't mean to call us mediocre, but that was sort of how it came out.
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I wrote one and it got ignored.AF wrote:Eitherway we should start a thread in the games forum and sticky it for people who want to start a new game so we dont end up with those embarassing threads announcing a new game when it hasnt even been started yet...
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i liked the pictures though
i liked the pictures though
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because we are f*cking depressed and we see theres no f*cking point in life. so why not waste it on my sofa then...? live is a precious gift? fuck you. my life sucks! i want my money back. oh wait, i didnt want to born here, i didnt even pay for it! so what can i do omg... i cant even kill myself because my brain wont let me do it, damn you! this must be the hell.Smoth wrote:Why do so many people find bliss in being yet another sofa slug playing video games and pissing away the short and precious gift of their life!?!?
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doesnt matter what the hell you do in your life... only thing that matters are you happy or not... if helping people makes you happy in some twisted way, then keep doing that, but most of us just want to grow our egos and feel happy that way, for example getting a trophy wife, few kids and big house and nice car, and making everyone else jealous about my life! thats what life is these days... am i rite huh
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You know what would be fun? Take superspeedmetal and give it more metal so you can build stuff even faster. It would be so fast!!!!!