Complete Annihilation News

[manored]

Well I suppose the few exceptions of the rule could be set up manually then.

By the way I think the roach needs some boost, as it is now its nearly impossible to actually make it hit anything before it is shot dead.

[Saktoth]

Roach is quite possibly OP. Its just very difficult to use, you must zig-zag with it against most targets, you can only send in one at a time since they chain, and its useless against any kind of defenses. This requirse a lot of babying, but when you baby it, its actually kind of crazy.

However against an army of nothing but inaccurate units (rockos, ravagers, thuds, etc) its almost guarunteed to hit and to do massive amounts of damage.

[YHCIR]

CA crashes when chickens first spawn:

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LogOutput initialized.
Available log subsystems: unit, CollisionVolume, VFS-detail, VFS, ArchiveScanner, mapinfo
Enabled log subsystems: 
Enable or disable log subsystems using the LogSubsystems configuration key
  or the SPRING_LOG_SUBSYSTEMS environment variable (both comma separated).
Using script script.txt
using configuration source "H:\Documents and Settings\Richard\Local Settings\Application Data\springsettings.cfg"
OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (build 2600)
Hardware: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6420  @ 2.13GHz; 2046MB RAM, 3937MB pagefile
Using read-write data directory: J:\games\Spring\
Scanning: J:\games\Spring\maps
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[      0] <Chutney> Allies: anyone have lockcamera enabled?
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[manored]

Roach is quite possibly OP. Its just very difficult to use, you must zig-zag with it against most targets, you can only send in one at a time since they chain, and its useless against any kind of defenses. This requirse a lot of babying, but when you baby it, its actually kind of crazy.

However against an army of nothing but inaccurate units (rockos, ravagers, thuds, etc) its almost guarunteed to hit and to do massive amounts of damage.

This is true but I think no units should be this difficult to use properly, even in exchange of great benefit. And its also on the T1 factory wich, unless I am mistaken, is meant for the simple, less especialized units.

I noticed that the weapon of rockos are described as "unguided rockets", but as far as I know rocket means it is unguided while missiles are guided. Just calling attention to this cause it might cause some confusion.

Sometimes I have problems with wiki behaving differently for aparently the same structure. For example right now on the portuguese guide the entries put on the start to clarify all-terrain and EMP to portuguese got shaped differently from the others, even though the structure is the same on edit mode.

[CarRepairer]

Don't worry about the wiki structure. The purpose of you doing this will be so that we can take your translation and put it in the game itself eventually. Then the unit guide will be autogenerated from that the same way the English unitguide is autogenerated.

[Elkvis]

I noticed that the weapon of rockos are described as "unguided rockets", but as far as I know rocket means it is unguided while missiles are guided. Just calling attention to this cause it might cause some confusion

A rocket is only a propulsion system, simply the ejection of high explosives to create thrust. It can describe anything from a firework through to a spacecraft.

A missile, in the military sense, is the combination of a rocket and a its payload. It is simply a self-propelled projectile. Whether or not it has a guidance system is not directly stated.


edit: I should add that almost everything that is guided (except for free fall bombs) is a missile. Therefore the association is assumed. Technically a Rocket propelled grenade is also missile.

[Wolf-In-Exile]

Wikipedia
In common military parlance, the word missile describes a powered, guided munition, whilst the word "rocket" describes a powered, unguided munition. Unpowered, guided munitions are known as guided bombs. A common further sub-division is to consider ballistic missile to mean a munition that follows a ballistic trajectory and cruise missile to describe a munition that generates lift.

Actually, you're both correct.

Unguided rockets.

[manored]

Don't worry about the wiki structure. The purpose of you doing this will be so that we can take your translation and put it in the game itself eventually. Then the unit guide will be autogenerated from that the same way the English unitguide is autogenerated.

My patience liked to hear that :)

I think cohesion in the nomenclature would be good to prevent people from being confused about how a "rocket like" thing will behave. So I think the rockets that are shot straigh forward should be named differently from those that fly up and then crash down.

[MidKnight]

This tread is slowly but surely dropping off the first page...

We can't let that happen...

New core turrets:

CA + 1944 =

Courtesy of Maackey (I think)




In features:
NEW! Fresh from the secret underground layer of the lua devs (principally CarRepairer in this case ) Ceasefire Control Panel allows you to make and break alliances with people in a FFA game! Win a neighbor's trust, and cruelly break his trust when your "allied" forces turn against him!

[CarRepairer]

Example of panel with voting system:

[zwzsg]

Something like:
"mass = (((Size * x) * HP) / speed) * y"

When there is only multiplications, you don't need to "scale" each variable with its own factor. It's allowed to multiply and divide different between units that have nothing in common. Plus, don't you see that (((Size * x) * HP) / speed) * y is the same as xy*size*hp/speed? However, it is not really clear what you mean by size, could be volume or height or width or max radius or whatever, and maybe you need to "scale" in the sense of choosing an exponent. For instance, assuming all units are diversily sized spheres made of the same material, you'd have mass = k*radius³

there are other countries that speak portuguese

Others? I thought there was only one other. Then I looked up on the web I found I was wrong.

[Pxtl]

Thinking it over, mass shouldn't depend on speed, but armour and metal cost... and not a multiplication either.

Imho, the best formula would be

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Cm*m + Ca*a

Where Cm is a metal mass constant and Ca is an armor mass constant. Imho, this would be the best compromise approach - armor is a very good indicator of how much a unit should weigh - the Sumo bears much heavier armor than similarly-priced units because it is slower, and is physically heavier. Expensive, unarmored units like crawling bombs are still massive.

In cases where a unit has armour-multipliers in certain states, take the mass from the armoured mode - after all, the armour exists either way.

[manored]

Something like:
"mass = (((Size * x) * HP) / speed) * y"

When there is only multiplications, you don't need to "scale" each variable with its own factor. It's allowed to multiply and divide different between units that have nothing in common. Plus, don't you see that (((Size * x) * HP) / speed) * y is the same as xy*size*hp/speed? However, it is not really clear what you mean by size, could be volume or height or width or max radius or whatever, and maybe you need to "scale" in the sense of choosing an exponent. For instance, assuming all units are diversily sized spheres made of the same material, you'd have mass = k*radius³

Spent too much time winhout maths :)

I think equations based only on mass and cost can screw up those arti units meant to be slow and heavy.

Forget the can stuff, it seens I needed some more experience with then :)

[CarRepairer]

Wow, CA has new sounds for chat and map labels!

[fraghawk]

1.the arm, in my opinion, needs something better for anti air.

Stonehenge anybody?

2. we need something to combat the zenith.
a rocket launch facility that can shoot down meteor fragments in orbit would be good.
The only way to destroy it would be to go in fps mode and fly your f-22 inside it and kill its missile.
btw, it can also attack ground too.

[Acidd_UK]

1.the arm, in my opinion, needs something better for anti air.

You mean besides 2 types of fighter, missile towers, missile trucks, 2 anti air bots (t1&t2), packos, mercurys and aa vehicle lasers?

2. we need something to combat the zenith.

Besides bombers, tanks, MAHLAZOR, gunships, annis, nukes, etc etc etc?

[Saktoth]

Phalanx is actually the best mobile AA in the game, DPS-for-cost, and the best AA period after packo (excl fighters).

Which is actually wrong because someone (Google and Licho namely) have been fucking with it.

[fraghawk]

1.the arm, in my opinion, needs something better for anti air.

You mean besides 2 types of fighter, missile towers, missile trucks, 2 anti air bots (t1&t2), packos, mercurys and aa vehicle lasers?

2. we need something to combat the zenith.

Besides bombers, tanks, MAHLAZOR, gunships, annis, nukes, etc etc etc?

All i want is something besides missels, something that can kill a few planes at once, like the Adv. flack cannon some other mods have.


on the Zenith deal, I mean a defense from it. The core's shields can block MAH LAZER,
but the arms shields cant block meator fragments.

[MidKnight]

All i want is something besides missels, something that can kill a few planes at once, like the Adv. flack cannon some other mods have.

ever tried tha Pack0? its a machine gun. PS ca core has a flak cannon. Arm's counterpart is the chainsaw missile battery, which btw has different physics from the BA chainsaw. Try it!

on the Zenith deal, I mean a defense from it. The core's shields can block MAH LAZER,
but the arms shields cant block meator fragments

true dat!
but zenith takes a lot of energy to fire. IMO the best solutin would be to wait a couple years for me to make models for and lua up experimental weapons platforms

[Acidd_UK]

IMHO Mah Lazor / Zenith are meant to be game-enders. There shouldn't be a defence to them except for destroying them or stopping your opponent making them in the first place.