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play move 1v1s plz
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Just like smoking a ton of weed doesn't make you dumb, you're just slower and forget a lot of things.DemO wrote:I would add that it doesnt stunt your growth, not even close. People can learn how to play through team games. Its just much less likely that they will reach a high level, and if they do, it's likely to take a lot longer.
As has been said, the whole problem with 1v1's is quite simple. Its just too competitive. Even Matt has said it and he's an excellent player- its not noobs piping up and going 'Oh its just all too hard!' (Though they would, too).
You jut need to have that killer instinct, that competitive teeth-grinding e-peen wagging attitude in order to be good at a computer game. And you need to train at it. You need to put a large investment of time and will. Most people just dont care for that, they dont want to treat Spring like a job (or a professional sport, to be precise)- and thats the mindset you need in order to excel at 1v1. Stop caring so damn much about winning- its just a game.
A lot of people play multiplayer games for the atmosphere of comradeship and working together towards common goals- this is basic human tribalism and just our social nature. Others play it just to unwind and simbaes- and if they lose, its not because they are a Failure At Life.
Try sitting down after a game and teaching the player you just beat exactly where they went wrong, and how to pull off the strat you just used on them. If you want to play better enemies- the only way to do it is to raise the skill bar yourself. Hell, i dont even get my clanmates teaching me what i did wrong when they beat me, let alone anyone else. Most of the stuff ive learnt ive figured out on my own.
In the end though, a lot of players just wont stand for that. They dont care enough about a computer game to play it so competitively. I cant blame them, its like reading books on chess (Which frankly, ruins the damn game)...
You jut need to have that killer instinct, that competitive teeth-grinding e-peen wagging attitude in order to be good at a computer game. And you need to train at it. You need to put a large investment of time and will. Most people just dont care for that, they dont want to treat Spring like a job (or a professional sport, to be precise)- and thats the mindset you need in order to excel at 1v1. Stop caring so damn much about winning- its just a game.
A lot of people play multiplayer games for the atmosphere of comradeship and working together towards common goals- this is basic human tribalism and just our social nature. Others play it just to unwind and simbaes- and if they lose, its not because they are a Failure At Life.
Try sitting down after a game and teaching the player you just beat exactly where they went wrong, and how to pull off the strat you just used on them. If you want to play better enemies- the only way to do it is to raise the skill bar yourself. Hell, i dont even get my clanmates teaching me what i did wrong when they beat me, let alone anyone else. Most of the stuff ive learnt ive figured out on my own.
In the end though, a lot of players just wont stand for that. They dont care enough about a computer game to play it so competitively. I cant blame them, its like reading books on chess (Which frankly, ruins the damn game)...
Precisely. Most players have this happen to them once, the other guy goes 'gg' and they never play 1v1 again.The game would last between 5-8 minutes and he'd have no chance to get to grips with even the simplest elements of the mod he was playing, due to constant pressure and harassment from opponent.
Didn't I teach you a few things a while back before u got good?Saktoth wrote: Try sitting down after a game and teaching the player you just beat exactly where they went wrong, and how to pull off the strat you just used on them. If you want to play better enemies- the only way to do it is to raise the skill bar yourself. Hell, i dont even get my clanmates teaching me what i did wrong when they beat me, let alone anyone else. Most of the stuff ive learnt ive figured out on my own.
First of all, Matt, I am a good player. Second of all, a post detailing all of the issues with BA balance, just like all the issues with AA balance before, would take a tremendous amount of time. Nobody will read anything longer than a page, and every attempt I've made merely to list the problems with BA has passed twenty pages in length. It's not worth the effort when I can just put my time into rebalancing it myself.
But wait - I play other games on the engine. Why am I bothering with this frustrating failure which has never, ever approached balance?
But wait - I play other games on the engine. Why am I bothering with this frustrating failure which has never, ever approached balance?
1v1s are pretty fun, but are too intense to play for a lot of people. Quite a few people have told me they dont like to 1v1 because its so intense and you need to be on the ball to play a good 1v1. I prefer 2v2s to 1v1s when i have my friends as allys and big team games can be a nice break/relaxing.
Im not sure where i would "rank" among the top players, i put up a pretty good fight, but there is a massive difference between playing a "star noob" to playing someone like PRO_randy or lionheart - it's easier playing 2 star noobs than them.
Im not sure where i would "rank" among the top players, i put up a pretty good fight, but there is a massive difference between playing a "star noob" to playing someone like PRO_randy or lionheart - it's easier playing 2 star noobs than them.
fixt lolBoredJoe wrote:1v1s are pretty fun, but are too intense to play for a lot of people. Quite a few people have told me they dont like to 1v1 because its so intense and you need to be on the ball to play a good 1v1. I prefer 2v2s to 1v1s when i have my friends as allys and big team games can be a nice break/relaxing.
Im not sure where i would "rank" among the top players, i put up a pretty good fight, but there is a massive difference between playing a "star noob" to playing someone like PRO_randy or Daywalker - it's easier playing 2 star noobs than them.
The elitist crowd of 1v1's can keep it.
All you guys that "only play spring to 1v1" have alienated the rest of the crowd.
You're all bored with the game, and are so good at it from pretty much living only to play 1v1 and owning your enemy that no average player would ever want to subject himself to that.
1v1 are much more demanding, stressfull, too much work, and in a competitive level just too intense for your average player.
Bottom line is Teamgames are more about freedom and fun, and you can make a shitload of mistakes and have a teamate cover for you, learn from it then pick it back up and maybe fight back together and win.
Team games are about fun and working together which is much more rewarding than being a 1 man army and just polishing your ego.
But if feeling better about yourself through the domination of others is the only reason that you play spring, maybe you've been playing this game too long, and for the wrong reasons.
All you guys that "only play spring to 1v1" have alienated the rest of the crowd.
You're all bored with the game, and are so good at it from pretty much living only to play 1v1 and owning your enemy that no average player would ever want to subject himself to that.
1v1 are much more demanding, stressfull, too much work, and in a competitive level just too intense for your average player.
Bottom line is Teamgames are more about freedom and fun, and you can make a shitload of mistakes and have a teamate cover for you, learn from it then pick it back up and maybe fight back together and win.
Team games are about fun and working together which is much more rewarding than being a 1 man army and just polishing your ego.
But if feeling better about yourself through the domination of others is the only reason that you play spring, maybe you've been playing this game too long, and for the wrong reasons.
-neddie the master strategist.But wait - I play other games on the engine. Why am I bothering with this frustrating failure which has never, ever approached balance?
1v1 is Generally, in every rts considered the standard high-level play format, take for example games like C&C3, wc3,starcraft,ta,supcom, and pretty much all the rts games i've ever played. how many starcraft proleagues are there that are focused on 4v4?
you can say that "this is just a computer game, im here to relax myself"-but you will be sprouting shit from your mouth.
How often do you play chess with a mindset of "winning is not important for me" ? well if winning is not important to you then why are you playing the game in the first place. You are unconsiously lying to yourself because you cant handle being inferior to someone else in skill, this is pretty much like the story about the fox and the grapes where the fox says "The grapes are sour anyway!"
but instead its - well i didnt want to win anyway.
In truth, you are just scared of the pressure and the fact that you have no excuse to say after you lose.
1v1 Measures 2 people's skills in macro and micro, and their sense of balance between these 2. It also measures who is faster, more knowledgeable of the engine and how it works, and experience.
its basically just like any other RL game, like tennis for example.
If you keep playing tennis "for fun" - how long do you think it will take for you to reach the elite tournaments and win them?
well i can give you a hint, you are never going to win any other player who's there to win.
This is why we dont see people like you in the warcraft 3 proleagues.1v1 are much more demanding, stressfull, too much work, and in a competitive level just too intense for your average player.
Dont lie to yourself.Team games are about fun and working together which is much more rewarding than being a 1 man army and just polishing your ego.
Im here to play and have fun, and i get my fun out of seeing "you win" screen after a intense game, no team-game can ever put your heart and mind to the game as much as facing a equally skilled player in 1v1
Lol you do realise thats only your subjective opinion and not the fact? I can easily say that 1v1 is more fun, less stressfull (you dont have nubs losing game for you), less boring (I can eat food and reply on emails while playing team games -.-, since you only need to do like 30 clicks per minute). 1v1 is also more about freedom, since you have more space on maps, leaving you with more strategies (not to mention coordination is much easier). 1v1 are also more rewarding because you know that you won it.MR.D wrote:The elitist crowd of 1v1's can keep it.
All you guys that "only play spring to 1v1" have alienated the rest of the crowd.
You're all bored with the game, and are so good at it from pretty much living only to play 1v1 and owning your enemy that no average player would ever want to subject himself to that.
1v1 are much more demanding, stressfull, too much work, and in a competitive level just too intense for your average player.
Bottom line is Teamgames are more about freedom and fun, and you can make a shitload of mistakes and have a teamate cover for you, learn from it then pick it back up and maybe fight back together and win.
Team games are about fun and working together which is much more rewarding than being a 1 man army and just polishing your ego.
But if feeling better about yourself through the domination of others is the only reason that you play spring, maybe you've been playing this game too long, and for the wrong reasons.
It can work either way <_<.
@slek: This DIE DIE BITE STAB MUST WIN LOSING IS FOR THE WEAAAK I PLAY TO SEE THE WIN SCREEN attitude is precisely why people dont want to play 1v1's. God, this reminds me of a coach of a little league team going 'You're going to go out there and you're going to KILL THEM. MAKE THEM CRY. You will OBLITERATE THEM. YOU CAN. NOT. LOSE. If you lose, your parents will never love you!'
People seriously do just play games to enjoy it. Sometimes people play tennis just for the exercise and as a social get-together with cardigans and white wine, not because they want to become a professional tennis player.
A player who tries to play a 1v1 against someone with this attitude will just go 'Woah, this guy takes this computer game way too seriously. I cant be bothered with this shit.'
YOU SEE. IT WORKS.
People seriously do just play games to enjoy it. Sometimes people play tennis just for the exercise and as a social get-together with cardigans and white wine, not because they want to become a professional tennis player.
A player who tries to play a 1v1 against someone with this attitude will just go 'Woah, this guy takes this computer game way too seriously. I cant be bothered with this shit.'
You taught me water maps. Thats why im one of the best water players in spring now.LordMatt wrote:Didn't I teach you a few things a while back before u got good?
YOU SEE. IT WORKS.
1v1 is more representative for the skill of the individual, in a team game the whole team influences wins and losses. A player can have weaknesses that other team members compensate for and use his strengths to contribute while in 1v1 any weakness leaves you open. I think for training or measuring your ability ultimately a 1v1 is a better choice as it's really up to YOU to win such a game and other people don't factor into it (the opponent doesn't really count for that matter) so you know a loss is when you failed and a win is when you succeeded, no "maybe my team sucked" or "maybe my team won for me" uncertainities.
Overall I'd say you should always make sure you can deal well with 1v1s because skills from 1v1 are transferrable to teamplay but not always the other way around. Being good at 1v1 gives you an advantage in any engagements, team play is added on top of that but in the end the better you can fight the better you can deal with the tasks you do for your team and 1v1 battle skills will always be relevant at some point or another.
Overall I'd say you should always make sure you can deal well with 1v1s because skills from 1v1 are transferrable to teamplay but not always the other way around. Being good at 1v1 gives you an advantage in any engagements, team play is added on top of that but in the end the better you can fight the better you can deal with the tasks you do for your team and 1v1 battle skills will always be relevant at some point or another.
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Go to hell and DIEflop wrote:fixt lolBoredJoe wrote:1v1s are pretty fun, but are too intense to play for a lot of people. Quite a few people have told me they dont like to 1v1 because its so intense and you need to be on the ball to play a good 1v1. I prefer 2v2s to 1v1s when i have my friends as allys and big team games can be a nice break/relaxing.
Im not sure where i would "rank" among the top players, i put up a pretty good fight, but there is a massive difference between playing a "star noob" to playing someone like PRO_randy or Daywalker - it's easier playing 2 star noobs than them.
Then pick the 5 most glaring issues... Also, someone isn't a good player just because they think they are, they're a good player because other good players think they are.neddiedrow wrote:First of all, Matt, I am a good player. Second of all, a post detailing all of the issues with BA balance, just like all the issues with AA balance before, would take a tremendous amount of time. Nobody will read anything longer than a page, and every attempt I've made merely to list the problems with BA has passed twenty pages in length. It's not worth the effort when I can just put my time into rebalancing it myself.
But wait - I play other games on the engine. Why am I bothering with this frustrating failure which has never, ever approached balance?
Also I enjoy the process of the game more than just the win screen, which is why if I think I played as well as I could and still lost, I know I can learn something from the game, whereas if I make stupid mistakes because of rustiness I don't enjoy the game (sometimes even if I win, if I think I only was lucky).
When I have time, I'm happy to train anyone of any skill level, but they had better have the right attitude. When I was learning to play I always asked the better players after they beat me what I had done wrong. OTA guys like BTU_BlackFlag and xPOZZIx taught me a lot of what I know about the game. When I was learning AA, if I played a team game, I asked the better players where they wanted me to start and what they wanted me to do. As I said before, there are too many players who "think they're good players" and thus don't bother to continue learning to play better and don't listen when you are trying too coordinate a team to the win. These are the same people who have tonnes of ingame time relative to their skill level in any game 1v1s or team games.Tim-the-mechanic wrote:You'd get more new 1v1ers if the current 1v1ers werent mostly pricks.
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1) I have never seen anybody classify you as a good player.neddiedrow wrote:First of all, Matt, I am a good player. Second of all, a post detailing all of the issues with BA balance, just like all the issues with AA balance before, would take a tremendous amount of time. Nobody will read anything longer than a page, and every attempt I've made merely to list the problems with BA has passed twenty pages in length. It's not worth the effort when I can just put my time into rebalancing it myself.
But wait - I play other games on the engine. Why am I bothering with this frustrating failure which has never, ever approached balance?
2) You have done no rebalancing of anything.
3) Other mods often have just as crappy balancing, it's just not as noticeable because they're not played as much.
But wait - that would be attempting to make an accurate post. Why bother with that when you can flame the most popular mod with impunity because you're a mod?