Do you have a computer running Vista ?

AF · Post by AF » 04 Apr 2007, 15:38

Caradhras wrote:Because no one is able or willing to point out the technical advances of vista, i officially declare vista, its driver system and nvidias drivers are made of pure phail

Did you bother to read the thread? Vista is fine, there's nothing wrong with it save a few lazy driver makers, notable nvidia, for which I gave a possible cure.

My driver crashes used to occur every 30-40 seconds and sometimes if I was lucky 30-40 minutes, now it's more like 3-4 hours at worst.

Now I know why they crash, I can also say that the lower the framerates the higher the chance of a crash, so 16x AA will give a greater crashrate than 8x AA.

If you're an ATI user, I dunno, go surf the ATI forums, but nvidias sorted now, unless you get BSOD's that is, read the 2 links, fiddle your TdrDelay registry key (defult value is 2, try higher vaues), and please quit the anti-vista rubbish. We had this with windows 98/2000/XP and look what happened there, the vast majority of users use XP despite the doomsday warnings of "its crap" or "the flashy graphics waste all your system resources and slow down all your games", and I'm tired of hearing exactly the same things about Vista, anti-MS users singing from the same hymn-sheet.

The only reasons I can think of to be annoyed with Vista are:

- crappy driver makers being lazy (not vistas fault)
- High price
- The whole court case against MS for miss-advertising PCs as vista ready than handing over Vista basic.
- A lack of solid vulnerabilities in Vista to complain about, with less major bugs than fingers on your hand in the last 6 months(only notable bug atm is the animated cursor exploit which was autopatched days ago)
- Licensing rguements about Virtual machine servers (recently fixed by Microsoft who released 2 new licenses to accomodate this)

Lindir The Green · Post by **Lindir The Green** » 04 Apr 2007, 16:21

-DRM

Yes, I know it isn't really Microsoft or Vista's fault, but it would have been nice if they had boycotted it.

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 04 Apr 2007, 18:01

As i posted the thing you quoted, i want really serious.

I just cannot see any advantages to migrate to Vista and the I think the Anti-Vista flames or whatever you want to call it are just natural symptoms that appear to the massive promotion.

"Buy the new Windows Vista!" "With the new hypersecure Windows Vista Basic preinstalled -> continue this ad absurdum.

I think, Windows OS's are generally good pieces of software, but Microsofts restrictive policy to keep anything other off and make block normal competition are the things which made their image of Redmond = where the devils toast the innocent souls.

AF · Post by AF » 04 Apr 2007, 23:20

Lindir The Green wrote:-DRM

Yes, I know it isn't really Microsoft or Vista's fault, but it would have been nice if they had boycotted it.

Please dont shoot yourself in the foot, its like saying "My Linux OS has DRM, so we should boycott linux, because I have this CD that has a program on it which runs a DRM routine to decode DVDs when I put ti on my linux PC!"

DRM is necessary as a decoding mechanism. It doesnt run all the time just when your decoding media like DVDs etc, because if it wasnt there you wouldnt be able to play them! You'd just get encrypted garbage! I think you're specifically refering to the secure content path mechanism used for playing Blu-ray and HD DVD media. To which I ask, has anybody ever heard of a single person whose bought a Blue-ray/HD DVD internal drive? I dont know a single person who can play these things (save console owners who got HD DVD support built in or a PS3).

And yah the basic edition of Vista is terrible, anyone whose got any sense would consider the cheapest Vista as Premium not basic.

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 04 Apr 2007, 23:44

if someone is able to code a hack to remove the drm from vista, i may buy it ^^

Tobi · Post by **Tobi** » 04 Apr 2007, 23:46

DRM isn't necessary as a decoding mechanism; it is necessary as a mechanism to make you give your monies to big companies by restricting you in your freedom unless you pay them.

AF · Post by AF » 05 Apr 2007, 00:01

Its necessary todecode DRM protcted content.

The bad guy with rgards to DRM isnt MS, its the people who produce th DRM content to begin with.

Lindir The Green · Post by **Lindir The Green** » 05 Apr 2007, 00:15

But I'm a little annoyed at MS for not resisting them.

AF · Post by AF » 05 Apr 2007, 01:40

If MS did resist them they'd stand to loose masses of money, and at the same time loose support for numerous essential file formats. No to mention many users who expect to be able to play their DRM protected content.

Caradhras · Post by **Caradhras** » 05 Apr 2007, 06:12

why should they loose money?

WIndows has such a domininating position, linux is (sadly) poor at multimedia and macs are for rich cowards thinking of buying something different.

nobody can force microsoft to integrate drm shit, if the hollyshit boyz then boycott windows for not having drm, WHO THE HELL SHOULD BUY AND PLAY THEIR DVDs AND BLU SHIT and HD SHIT????

The thing is:
Microsoft wouldnt loose money if not integrating drm, they wouldnt get MASSES of money.

btw:
even steve jobs recognized that drm is full of phail and some guys from the industry had to admit, that it is the fault of the industry by having 20year old bussiness models instead of blaming the consumers for everything the industry messed up.

Peet · Post by **Peet** » 05 Apr 2007, 17:15

Caradhras wrote:macs are for rich cowards thinking of buying something different.

That's gotta be the most hilarious thing I've heard. Ever.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 05 Apr 2007, 17:29

P3374H wrote:
Caradhras wrote:macs are for rich cowards thinking of buying something different.
That's gotta be the most hilarious thing I've heard. Ever.

he coulda just said homosexuals and metrosexuals..

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 05 Apr 2007, 18:16

LathanStanley wrote:
P3374H wrote:
Caradhras wrote:macs are for rich cowards thinking of buying something different.
That's gotta be the most hilarious thing I've heard. Ever.
he coulda just said homosexuals and metrosexuals..

Eh... no.

Licho · Post by **Licho** » 05 Apr 2007, 20:02

Guessmyname wrote: 3: Slightly put off Vista after reading this: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/p ... _cost.html

Well after reading this, I wont support such stupid misfeatures by buying Vista.

Lindir The Green · Post by **Lindir The Green** » 05 Apr 2007, 22:17

The DRM stuff is ONLY activated when you put in a HD DVD or BluRay disk, and then ONLY if the disk tells it to. For the disk to "legally" play, the hardware and software must have DRM.

Currently, none of the disks tell their players to activate DRM. Hopefully, they won't ever.

Microsoft claims that they had to include DRM support in Vista so that people wouldn't be forced to participate in illegal activities. (:roll:)

But it would have been nice if MS had just stuck it to the media companies and not programmed anything to do with DRM in Windows Vista. Then DRM would have much less momentum, discouraging hardware companies from building it into their products, and hopefully eventually forcing the media companies to relent.

Lindir The Green · Post by **Lindir The Green** » 05 Apr 2007, 22:18

Licho wrote:Well after reading this, I wont support such stupid misfeatures by buying Vista.

And I won't support such stupid misfeatures by ever buying a DRM protected BluRay or HD DVD.

That way I penalize the media companies instead of Microsoft.

warrenkc · Post by **warrenkc** » 06 Apr 2007, 05:07

I have vista on a laptop and it works fine with spring.

Scratch · Post by **Scratch** » 06 Apr 2007, 07:51

I was under the impression Microsoft released Vista under obligation to the law where they have to release a new OS version every 4 years.

In fact I know thats true and have seen Vista in action, not too impressed save a smoother interface. It seems to run alot of games slower.

With the support XP already has and the patches and drivers available why would you cause yourself trouble upgrading to Vista, until at least a year to when Microsoft SHOULD have released it bugfree.

NightfallGemini · Post by **NightfallGemini** » 06 Apr 2007, 09:07

I've messed around with Vista a bit. It's alright, and I like how it took the Searchlight idea from OS X (not bashing, I honestly like that). Vast improvement over the current search.

It *does* however appear to be quite the little resource and RAM hog. Note that this was on a friend's laptop. =P

It really does just seem to be a very slightly "upgraded" XP, so no, I don't run Vista. That, and even certain new titles/relatively new titles hate Vista, Phantasy Star Universe and, ironically, EVE Online being two of them, Spring being a third in certain cases, apparently.

E-O and PSU are my bread and butter for MMOs. =P

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 06 Apr 2007, 09:08

Scratch wrote:I was under the impression Microsoft released Vista under obligation to the law where they have to release a new OS version every 4 years.

In fact I know thats true and have seen Vista in action, not too impressed save a smoother interface. It seems to run alot of games slower.

With the support XP already has and the patches and drivers available why would you cause yourself trouble upgrading to Vista, until at least a year to when Microsoft SHOULD have released it bugfree.

ummm XP was released in like late 00' early 01...

this is 07'....

thats 6 years.

Spring RTS Engine

Do you have a computer running Vista ?

Do you have a computer running Vista ?

works fine for me