Tier-3 OTA style or AA style

Day · Post by **Day** » 08 Dec 2006, 20:33

which one and why

Machiosabre · Post by **Machiosabre** » 08 Dec 2006, 20:35

isn't the only difference that in ota tier 3 is just a krogoth and aa has other stuff? who'd want to miss razorbacks, vanguard and juggernauts? come on!

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 08 Dec 2006, 20:58

I'd say settle somewhere in between, like one or two tier 3 units for each side. Most of the tier 3 units in AA felt like useless gimmicks to me.

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 08 Dec 2006, 21:02

I believe that Tier Three should reflect a continuation of the trends in Tier Two, to whit, specialization, and greater power within a concentrated role. I've never much liked the "Uberweapon" concept where you end up with powerful generalists and useless oversized Tier One.

That said, I think you can manage that with the AA base better than the OTA one.

I'll look for my tenative Tier Three tree... five units per side, very different from those currently in AA.

NOiZE · Post by **NOiZE** » 08 Dec 2006, 21:05

OTA Style FTW!

Don't ask me why, it just feels better.

BigSteve · Post by **BigSteve** » 08 Dec 2006, 21:09

cmon, how can you not like the atv artillery and the big shiny red lasers on the razorback, or the big poofy plasma ball things on the kroggtarr (rip)

Cabbage · Post by **Cabbage** » 08 Dec 2006, 21:20

AA all the way, shame on you day!

unlike krogs, vanguards, razorbacks, kargs etc can actually be used properly, if rarely..

Day · Post by **Day** » 08 Dec 2006, 21:23

what? just asking for opinions >:(

Machiosabre · Post by **Machiosabre** » 08 Dec 2006, 21:24

Even considering turning lvl3 into a krogoth is horrible, for shame

Pxtl · Post by **Pxtl** » 08 Dec 2006, 21:42

Things to put in L3:

1) ultramegaomfgwtfpwn units like the Krogoth
2) Mobile versions of things that are buildings in L2 (mobile tacnuke launchers, mobile berthas, etc).
3) overcomplicated units

Too many L3 units are just "L2, but bigger". More fun just to have large numbers.

All I'd put in L3 would be the Krogoth, mobile bertha and/or tacnuke launcher, and a super-Karganeth. That is, make a unit that, theoretically, is the only unit you ever have to build. All terrain, amphibious, armed with multifunction missiles and torpedos, fast moving, etc. But way, way weaker than it's equivalent in simpler units. That unit is your "I have more resources than God, and no longer give a crap about what to build - I just want to spam catch-all units". Other L3 units like the Krogtaar (a bigger Maverick), the Shiva (a bigger Croc) etc. can be left on the floor.

Machiosabre · Post by **Machiosabre** » 08 Dec 2006, 22:18

pffft I think all lvl3 units other than the krogoth have a use.
Heavy amphibious stuff are a great relatively cheap spam unit, which every factory needs. The vanguard and catapult are arty to outrage all defenses, obviously level 3 needs those.
And as a solid attack unit the razorback and karnageth.
And well a juggernaut for all of the awesome and to take part in the great legacy of slow super armored core units.

jellyman · Post by **jellyman** » 08 Dec 2006, 22:28

I've never built a level 3 unit in my life.

Down with level 3. Down with level 3. Down with level 3.

Can we get rid of level 2 as well? I just want to fight a war without all the tediouis worry about teching up and replacing mexes.

I guess you better put my vote in don't care.

LordMatt · Post by **LordMatt** » 08 Dec 2006, 23:49

I've never once built a gantry in this game. :O I wouldn't waste much time on it. But you might attract more nubs if you reverted those caydr unit removals...

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 08 Dec 2006, 23:51

Tier Three as it is seems to me pathetic, backwards in game logic, and essentially inefficent. If it is not reformed, it should be removed.

iamacup · Post by **iamacup** » 09 Dec 2006, 01:10

games never get to t3 these days, to much weasel spam

LordMatt · Post by **LordMatt** » 09 Dec 2006, 02:11

iamacup wrote:games never get to t3 these days, to much weasel spam

PLAY MOAR BA!

Not like it'll get to lvl 3 though

BigSteve · Post by **BigSteve** » 09 Dec 2006, 02:16

I never go l3 now because when the gantry increased to 10000 metal, the build times for all of the l3 units were increased what felt like 2 or 3 fold, its such a waste to even go t3 at the moment,
if the old buildtimes were put back in, (i cant remember when they were changed) but the gantry was left at the same cost or a little cheaper then l3 would be seen more often, all of the units are cool and they all have uses, as machio pointed out.
I think they just need to be made economically viable again.
Id hate to see it taken out tbh.

Hellspawn · Post by **Hellspawn** » 09 Dec 2006, 10:52

Leave it day

, they are fun when you are picking on nubs <_<.

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 09 Dec 2006, 13:25

Ok, you should explain what you are asking...

You meant having l3 for both Arm and Core instead of just Core? What?

Day · Post by **Day** » 09 Dec 2006, 14:07

well in OTA, t3 basically was just the krogoth
in AA both sides have a equally large array of mechs

as for BA, were gonna try and make it economically viable for the games that do take that time. (think 5v5 altored gone porc ) ^^

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