request: anti-nuke sub
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request: anti-nuke sub
for example on shore to shore its too easy to build 10 nuke silos and defend your coast with that, an anti-nuke sub would be great.
Re: request: anti-nuke sub
it's too easy?Harm wrote:for example on shore to shore its too easy to build 10 nuke silos and defend your coast with that, an anti-nuke sub would be great.
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SwiftSpear
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Re: request: anti-nuke sub
A single antinuke sub is supposed to compare to 10 antinuke?Kuroneko wrote:it's too easy?Harm wrote:for example on shore to shore its too easy to build 10 nuke silos and defend your coast with that, an anti-nuke sub would be great.
No, it's meant to hinder pepole from just Building Gunships and bombers and killing your antinuke...for example on shore to shore its too easy to build 10 nuke silos and defend your coast with that, an anti-nuke sub would be great.
oh, then you could have one on shore and one in the sea... so when they think they can nuke ya, they waste their preisouc nukes ^^
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PauloMorfeo
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Maybe an anti nuke carrier? Although that would increase the cost of it and make it less good as an energy maker...
Water is missing alot of stuff...
- We can't build radars on it although we can build sonars.
- We can't build hovercraft plants...
- We have no anti nuke capabilities.
- We have no nuke capabilities.
- We have no LRPC capabilities.
- Probably something else important.
I think that the first 3 should be available to water.
http://taspring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewt ... 8201#28201
Water is missing alot of stuff...
- We can't build radars on it although we can build sonars.
- We can't build hovercraft plants...
- We have no anti nuke capabilities.
- We have no nuke capabilities.
- We have no LRPC capabilities.
- Probably something else important.
I think that the first 3 should be available to water.
http://taspring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewt ... 8201#28201
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SwiftSpear
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PauloMorfeo
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Well, i did knew that other mods (UH, AA, TAUIP, etc) have water based radars and Hover Plants (didn't knew about the water based anti nuke capabilitites, though). They should also be possible in XTA+Spring.FizWizz wrote:...
Sounds like you people need to check out UH.
And if possible, without the «ugly» work around of having to have 2 buildings of each, one for sea and one for land.
Why is it ugly?
Sea variants have to be different.
1) Appearance. Notice how all sea variants of units have pontoons or something of that nature. A normal HLT sticking out of the water would just be silly.
2) Balance, Part one: Sea units, on average, do more damage than land units, therefore sea variants need more armor to be a useful expenditure. The only thing sea platformed units die very quickly to are torpedoes, but subs should be powerful for their cost anyway so this is acceptable.
3) There is no three.
4) Balance, Part two: Sea variants of facilities generally cost more. This makes sense due to their added armor and odd environment (compared to their normal situation). It costs more to build an oil rig on the sea than it does on land in real life because of the environment, so the same should be true of this.
I'm sure I could think of a few more reasons if I thought about it. In any case, the seperate sea variants should be left in. If you really want to do away with them so badly, make your own mod.
Personally, here's what I would do:
-Give both sides an UW moho mex and/or UW moho metal maker, with slightly more than comparable output stats to their land based variants. Think of the fusion outputs here (1200 sea, 1050 land, for Core at least). Up their cost accordingly.
-Give the scout ships a bit of radar. Maybe 60-75% of a radar tower. Up their cost just a bit to compensate, but not too much.
-Equip either the missile ships or the carriers with anti-nukes. I believe UH gave the carriers anti, but they would be logical on the missile ships as well.
-Add the floating HPs. They're logical. They should cost a tad more than the land ones as well, though. Give them a faster build speed (like, they build hovers themselves a little faster) to compensate.
That pretty much fills in all the gaps of sea power. Solars aren't really necessary on water (since any map where water is a viable option has at least acceptable tidal output), and wind... well, same thing. Radar's covered by the ships (in mobile form too!): the scout and the carrier. Antinukes would be mobile (upon thinking about this, perhaps antis on the missile ship would be best since the carrier gets radar). There would be advanced metal output facilities. Artillery would be covered by ships, obviously, and we already have floating MTs/HLTs.
Of course, that's just my humble opinion on someone wanting to expand the sea business. I'm quite fond of tidal/fmm farming
Sea variants have to be different.
1) Appearance. Notice how all sea variants of units have pontoons or something of that nature. A normal HLT sticking out of the water would just be silly.
2) Balance, Part one: Sea units, on average, do more damage than land units, therefore sea variants need more armor to be a useful expenditure. The only thing sea platformed units die very quickly to are torpedoes, but subs should be powerful for their cost anyway so this is acceptable.
3) There is no three.
4) Balance, Part two: Sea variants of facilities generally cost more. This makes sense due to their added armor and odd environment (compared to their normal situation). It costs more to build an oil rig on the sea than it does on land in real life because of the environment, so the same should be true of this.
I'm sure I could think of a few more reasons if I thought about it. In any case, the seperate sea variants should be left in. If you really want to do away with them so badly, make your own mod.
Personally, here's what I would do:
-Give both sides an UW moho mex and/or UW moho metal maker, with slightly more than comparable output stats to their land based variants. Think of the fusion outputs here (1200 sea, 1050 land, for Core at least). Up their cost accordingly.
-Give the scout ships a bit of radar. Maybe 60-75% of a radar tower. Up their cost just a bit to compensate, but not too much.
-Equip either the missile ships or the carriers with anti-nukes. I believe UH gave the carriers anti, but they would be logical on the missile ships as well.
-Add the floating HPs. They're logical. They should cost a tad more than the land ones as well, though. Give them a faster build speed (like, they build hovers themselves a little faster) to compensate.
That pretty much fills in all the gaps of sea power. Solars aren't really necessary on water (since any map where water is a viable option has at least acceptable tidal output), and wind... well, same thing. Radar's covered by the ships (in mobile form too!): the scout and the carrier. Antinukes would be mobile (upon thinking about this, perhaps antis on the missile ship would be best since the carrier gets radar). There would be advanced metal output facilities. Artillery would be covered by ships, obviously, and we already have floating MTs/HLTs.
Of course, that's just my humble opinion on someone wanting to expand the sea business. I'm quite fond of tidal/fmm farming
I don't particularly mind the nuke thing, but I have to say that I agree with the fact that there aren't enough sea possibilities. I'd like to make moho metal makers on underwater patches, and underwater geos. Water based hovers, anti air was just added with xta. It would add a lot to mostly sea maps imo.
