Spring RTS Engine

Was recently changed to a min of 128, which is way too far for some mods/ and games. Any way to get past this minimum I will be happy with. The very min should be changed to 16 since that would be distance from the center of a 1x1 to the center of another 1x1, correct?

I talked to fatcontroller and he said he also uses builddistances under 128, which are now set to 128.

Any ways heres the mantis post:
http://springrts.com/mantis/view.php?id=2151

Various S44 units use distances under 128 also.

I don't know if this was looked at again. If mod/game makers are making mistakes by making some distances too short, it is their own fault and other game makers shouldn't be penalized from such a generalized scale.

test with this installer:
http://springrts.com/dl/buildbot/defaul ... a83a6b.exe

or under linux, with branch minBuildDistance on the main git repo.

bobthedinosaur wrote:...The very min should be changed to 16 since that would be distance from the center of a 1x1 to the center of another 1x1, correct?

If unit center is in the center of footprint then 8. Spring allows placing buildings side by side. But i think best _default_ build distance should be unit_footprint_width / 2 + single_footprint_width.

so are you saying 1.5 x times width of builder?

hoijui's test with minimum of 16 was pretty badly broken.

aha...

and now?

bobthedinosaur wrote:so are you saying 1.5 x times width of builder?

No: (builder_width) / 2 + 8.

Units are square, not circular.

Yeah, unit width * 3 would probably be safest, IIRC any lower than that and the pathfinder went beserk, but that was awhile ago.

Would it be hard/ costly to include the size of target being built into the equation along with the builder's size?

bobthedinosaur wrote:I don't know if this was looked at again. If mod/game makers are making mistakes by making some distances too short, it is their own fault and other game makers shouldn't be penalized from such a generalized scale.

Exactly this, the engine shouldn't be overriding settings of mod makers.

I think the number of formulas proposed for a formula-based approach shows the inappropriateness of a formula-based approach, in that it is unlikely to satisfy everyone/all the special cases and we end up back in square one.

In addition a formula-based approach is something which should be handled with lua in unitdefs_post, where the modmaker is free to use whatever wild formula they want in order to sanitize their buildDistances.

any updates on this? the min build dis is pretty annoying for some games like Contact and S44.

i made a test engine change, and the answer i got was apparently "it is broken", and to the question how it is broken, i got no answer. or it is something else that was broken, and nobody tested.
pro hint: read earlier posts.

Can we get some more testers?

http://springrts.com/dl/buildbot/defaul ... 24f7cd.exe

For me it seems that for a practical bare minimum optimal build range a 1x1 unit building at point blank another 1x1 with builddistance of 38. Anything smaller is just not necessary. Although some small units will have to back up to build a large unit, but I have 1x1's building 10x10's easily.