Spring RTS Engine

Hi all,

I played spring for a while and noticed with the latest build (spring_0.77b5-R6842) and the BA mod (tested on 6.6 and 6.7) a strange behaviour:

On some maps spring gets so slow that it is unplayable and annoying the other players in the game.
Example map slow: Emain Macha (9,66 MB) - < 1fps

On other maps it runs just normal.
Example map fast: Tropical (19 MB) - 35-40 fps

A strange thing is that Emain Macha is smaller than Tropical (map size & file size) and is slower though.

I tried disabling and enabling the LUA-widgets and tweaking graphics settings.
The FPS Manager lua-widget was turned off and on with resetting the graphics settings between tests - without success.

Has anyone else encountered this?
Or maybe someone knows how to fix it?

I really like spring and hate it to ask others to kick me from the game because of an unplayable slowdown of spring.

Hi!
Not really a solution but - what about the number of aircraft in the game? Its usually the number one thing to slow down the sim. Also, before you reply, press B during the slowdown to see whats taking the CPU time.
Ift its aircraft - no local solution is possible. Ask people to build aa and not to spam fighters

Thanks for the tip with key B, I'll look at that.

But aircraft is it definitly not - slowdown starts before the game starts (when still selecting startpoint).

Even on lowest graphic settings it is so slow on this maps - I can do nothing but press Shift+ESC to get out of it.
On other maps it runs pretty normal, even with a lot of units and aircrafts - a great game

I have a 3,4 P4 with 1 GB RAM and ATI Radeon X700 running on XP - so this should not get me into trouble

SuperBastel wrote:ATI Radeon X700

ATI + Spring = Issues. Also, werent some users reporting that hitting ctrl+shift (or sth like that) was triggering a keyboard layout switch, and giving epic slowdown?

And make sure to disable optimized threading in the nvidia control panel if u have nvidia GFX.

and disable dynamic clouds if you have them on.

Why are dynamic clouds in spring anyway? The settings program should have a big warning sign next to dynmic clouds saying "don't use this if you don't want to lose 60 fps for nothing"

Also, he said he disabled all graphic settings so I don't think dynamic clouds are the problem, maybe you should try to update drivers, or try older drivers.

I find some cards do crazy things with that one "compress textures" or whatever setting. When I first tried Spring on my new machine, everything was black, until I turned that on... and then things worked fine except on DSD, where it would freak out and crawled if I looked at certain parts of the map. Then I fiddled a bit and I turned it back off and everything was hunky-dory.

Maybe it's the grass?

The B key is impressive

Stats show 1 fps and the percentages don't go up (0.00%) - seems like starts below 1 fps don't display correct.
Nearly all time is done in draw world.
Sim time starts with >25000 s, but does not change anymore.
Compress textures is off, dynamic clouds is off.
I also tried with lowest graphics settings and low res - same effect.

Keyboard-layouts except german have been removed - I hated changing the layout by hotkey before

i have the same problem... only 1fps on emain macha, as well as one of the charlie in the hills versions, i believe the first one.

and i've tried the same sorts of things to fix it, tweaking my graphics and spring settings, but to no avail... i know a few other players get the same glitch on the same maps.

strangely enough, i think that this only happened since the .76 series of spring, previously to that i was able to play both maps without any difficulty.

i am running almost essentially the same system, a single core with an ATI card. just letting you know you're not alone.

KaiserJ wrote: strangely enough, i think that this only happened since the .76 series of spring, previously to that i was able to play both maps without any difficulty.

That's so true for me too.

KaiserJ wrote: i am running almost essentially the same system, a single core with an ATI card. just letting you know you're not alone.

Thanks

I hope the effect goes by with the next beta.
Maybe I should try to get a nightly build from the source.

Just registered to let you know I have exactly the same issues as the two guys above me.

I had the exact same problem, to fix it change your water settings to "reflective" AKA /water 1 (anything but Basic?) .

If you then get a weird graphics bug on other maps (you may or may not), disable LUAshaders
I posted some stuff in viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17055

thanks for the diagnosis...

unfortunately, when i play a map with reflective water, i only get about a steady 15 fps... so although you've deduced where the gremlin lies, it doesn't really help me so much

maybe someone can fix water 1 for us <3

bumpwater on minimal settings takes same performance as /water 0

bumpmapped water gave me 5 fps...

which, although 500% better, is still hardly playable

YHCIR wrote:I had the exact same problem, to fix it change your water settings to "reflective" AKA /water 1 (anything but Basic?) .

Perfect!
Thank you for your help, that does the trick.
FPSManager of BA always slowed me down, because it starts with /water 0 - deadly in my case.
So I'm going to use an own FPSManager-lua-script.