But you missed my point.
You are asserting that poverty causes anti-American terrorism.
That's a fine and dandy assertion, but you have to prove it to be true. I've offered the counter that, if poverty causes anti-American terrorism, then we should be seeing the most anti-American terrorism from citizens of states that are the poorest, i.e. Burkina Faso, Mozambique, Tanzania, Somalia, et al. We are not, therefore the assertion is untrue. Reductio ad absurdum.
You also have failed to illustrate exactly how diplomacy stops terrorism. Terrorism is not conducted by states (at least not the sort of terrorism we're dealing with); short of inviting al-Qaeda to take a seat in the UN General Assembly or something insane like that, how do you use diplomacy to stop terrorism?
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You missed my point as well.
I didn't say diplomacy can QUENCH terrorism. BUT IT CAN ONLY STOP IT FROM GETTING WORSE BY STOPPING THE SPREAD OF HATRED. Besides, has your government even tried this method? No. You simply ASSUME that it doesn't work, and invaded them right away, and concluded that diplomacy doesn't work.
The people from the most povert countries, simply have NO money and ability to attack. Neither do they have someone to brainwash them.
Please read carefully what I have said before repeatedly throwing your paradigms at me and simply putting "You don't get it" at the beginning.
I didn't say diplomacy can QUENCH terrorism. BUT IT CAN ONLY STOP IT FROM GETTING WORSE BY STOPPING THE SPREAD OF HATRED. Besides, has your government even tried this method? No. You simply ASSUME that it doesn't work, and invaded them right away, and concluded that diplomacy doesn't work.
The people from the most povert countries, simply have NO money and ability to attack. Neither do they have someone to brainwash them.
Please read carefully what I have said before repeatedly throwing your paradigms at me and simply putting "You don't get it" at the beginning.
As Zoombie said, it was a tidal wave. And it happened in South East Asia. Did the Thai attack you? Did the Indonesians attack you? Did the malaysians attack you? NO!!!Snipawolf wrote:Some place got hit by a hurricane, what did good 'ole America do!? We helped, shipped thousands of tons of supplies and medical aid..
And when was the last time you sent supplies and medical aid to Iran and Iraq when they are hit by natural disaster?
Don't mix up South-East Asia and Middle East. I suppose you didn't intentionally set up this logical trap.
Economical sanction. And I was talking about North Korea. Yeah. Did your government really "leave them alone"? No. They left tham with the economical sanction. But it is not impossible to be the case in Middle-East as well.Snipawolf wrote:Not to mention, before I fly off the handle, could someone tell me how America has made millions of arabians and whatnot poor!?
Bwansy where the fuck does it say America has a responsibility to help other countries in need... Hrm.. I must have missed that ruling somewhere..
IM SO SICK and tired of people from other countries railing on us here in the states for not doing this, or doing that.. GO READ YOUR OWN FUCKING HISTORY YOU PRICKS.. Every OTHER GOD DAMNED COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.. has at some time or another committed atrocities.. their soldiers have raped people, and they have attacked someone without an real decent cause..
PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT.. WE LIKE TO KILL PEOPLE FROM GROUPS NOT OF OURSELFS.. We are going to do that period until the end of time, this shit isnt new.. Why do you think there are no neaderthals.. you think they just went hey, prehistory is over time to disappear.. No the ancesters of us, wiped them out, either outbreeding them, or simply by killing them.. This is how we function..
Europe, the middle east, Asia, you name it they are not innocent they have done just as foul nasty stuff as the US.. and in some countries cases nastier shit.. SO GET OFF THE USA's CASE.. We are at the top you are pissed because your country isnt, so STOP RAILING ON US, we do not have a obligation to be nice, in fact if we want to be facist bastards so much the better..
I personally think we ought to either A: KILL ALL THE IRAQIS, or B: GTFO... IM tired of wasting time spending money on a retarded occupation of a retarded country full of people following a religion that has been warped, and is imo retarded.. thats right I THINK ISLAM IS STUPID.. AND YES I CAN SAY THAT.. and before you go OH NOES FANGER IS A RAGING BUSH MANIAC.. I like bush about as much as the pile of shit I just took in my toilet moments before I wrote this post..
IM SO SICK and tired of people from other countries railing on us here in the states for not doing this, or doing that.. GO READ YOUR OWN FUCKING HISTORY YOU PRICKS.. Every OTHER GOD DAMNED COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.. has at some time or another committed atrocities.. their soldiers have raped people, and they have attacked someone without an real decent cause..
PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT.. WE LIKE TO KILL PEOPLE FROM GROUPS NOT OF OURSELFS.. We are going to do that period until the end of time, this shit isnt new.. Why do you think there are no neaderthals.. you think they just went hey, prehistory is over time to disappear.. No the ancesters of us, wiped them out, either outbreeding them, or simply by killing them.. This is how we function..
Europe, the middle east, Asia, you name it they are not innocent they have done just as foul nasty stuff as the US.. and in some countries cases nastier shit.. SO GET OFF THE USA's CASE.. We are at the top you are pissed because your country isnt, so STOP RAILING ON US, we do not have a obligation to be nice, in fact if we want to be facist bastards so much the better..
I personally think we ought to either A: KILL ALL THE IRAQIS, or B: GTFO... IM tired of wasting time spending money on a retarded occupation of a retarded country full of people following a religion that has been warped, and is imo retarded.. thats right I THINK ISLAM IS STUPID.. AND YES I CAN SAY THAT.. and before you go OH NOES FANGER IS A RAGING BUSH MANIAC.. I like bush about as much as the pile of shit I just took in my toilet moments before I wrote this post..
so would I. Needless to say Iraq is not a pleasant place neither for Americans nor any of her allies (which may i remind you she does have...) nor the citizens themselves. The 'Hearts and Minds' programs have done v v v little (otherwise im sure it woudl be in every headline because both Blair and Bush have been receiving a lot of shit bout Iraq, they would immediately publish any good steps that have been taken!!!) and living in a county like that can't be good because your under suspicision all the time and pressure too, from the Americans to cooperate, from the Terrorists to cooperate. Seriously O.O
I find it funny how you keep suggesting that killing more people is going to save lives. There is an inherent fallacy there.
And don't play me for stupid or naive: I'm not saying that just being nice to people, treating them fairly, even if they are obviously less powerful or even powerless, is going to make hatred of America, poverty or terrorism vanish, far from it. But it will definitely do more good than killing more people.
And diplomacy vs, terrorism, you're not that thick, are you? I'm not expecting the UN to go and have a cup of tea with Bin Laden. I'm talking about, for example, showing that America is benevolent in it's foreign policy. That, as "The land of the free, home of the brave", "greatest nation on earth" and all that, they can take a leading role in the world that reflects their ideals, not betrays them. Show that America can do as it says, and not show that America's President tells the world "we don't torture", when, quite obviously, they do, and they support it at the highest level. Show that as the richest country on the planet, the US will actually make sacrifices for the common good, like many other, less wealthy countries do. It could, for example, pay it's debt to the UN. It could value the global environment more than short-term economic benefits, but it doesn't. It (and the EU, for that matter) could choose to trade fairly with poorer nations, instead of forcing them into tariff agreements that artificially lower prices and keep competition down. They could stop destroying entire national economies by stopping their own subventions, which they could certainly afford. They could stop treating the rest of the world like irrelevant pieces of shit and still expect them to adore and follow the US. They can afford to give more foreign aid than any country in the world, but they give less than many poorer nations. They could show that they value human rights for all humans, not just Americans. They invade and bomb sovereign countries for no good reason. They fight a prolonged, unjustified war that cost anywhere between 60.000 and 600.000 civilian lives and then have the unbelievable arrogance to call it a mere "comma" in history. They "want to bring democracy to the middle east" and can't even fix their own. Those things and dozens more. All this falls under diplomacy. All this directly affects what the world thinks of America. All this gives people reasons to disagree with, despise or hate America.
So how do you stop them hating America? Maybe fix those things? Maybe do good things instead of bad things? Nooooo, that would be head-in-the-sand liberalism, because it doesn't involve blowing shit up. No, in fact that would actually be solving problems instead of exacerbating them. I assure you, making trade fair is much harder, takes more commitment, more bravery, more determination, more sacrifices than the war on terror or the war in Iraq. But, as opposed to the latter two, the former will actually help, and not make things worse. And it won't happen, not because it wouldn't work in the long run, but because a couple of thousand Americans would lose their jobs, and you can't run a campaign on that.
Yes, some stupid fuck in a villa in Riad will always want to blow up America, but fuck him. Let him try. If he succeeds, bad luck. Shit happens. People kill, people die. Sometimes that will be your people. Get over it. Iraq has the equivalent of a 9/11 every couple of months, for absolutely no good reason. Just like that, thousands dead. If they're half as pissed about it as the US was, America is fucked forever.
You know what good behaviour in the world will do? It will give people reasons to not listen to the silly bugger in his villa in Riad. It will give them talking points to disagree with him.
I never said it wasn't, but you seem to think that blowing up a couple of evil brown people will make you safe forever. Good luck with that.
And Snipa, you aren't a "Brain-Washed by Bush, Sterotyping, Patriotic, One-sided, Angry, Hot-blooded, Redneck American." You simply have no clue as to how the world works, and you don't want to know. It's a little more complex than this "good vs. evil", "us against them" thing. I'm not condoning terrorism, believe me, but at least I have an interest in WHY it happens, which you seem to not care about at all. That guy who drives his bomb-laden truck into an American checkpoint, do you really think he's all "allah-uh-akhbar! I'm gonna be a fucking evil badass today! I hate freedom! Stupid Americans with their democracy! I'm so afraid of fighting these much better equipped soldiers man to man! I'll just blow myself up, that's easy! Die!" Do you really think that? Are you really that fucking stupid? Why is that man KILLING HIMSELF? Remember, he isn't launching a cruise missile from a submarine somewhere, he will have his own body torn to shreds, why would he do that? Because he wants to fight back, and he firmly believes a bombing like that is the only way he can do so. And why did they bomb the WTC?
"Lets fight them there so we don't have to fight them here."
It works both ways, you see. And why did Bin Laden think he had to fight the US in the US? Because he fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan. And do you think the US supported the Mujahedin because they were worried about their freedom? Bullshit. They wanted them to kill Soviets for them. They didn't send food, they sent weapons. After the war, did the US actually help Afghanistan? No, they just pissed off. Left a broken, failed state full of people who thought that America cared about them, only to find that they were just tools.
Does it gradually begin to dawn on you that things happen for a reason, that there is a law of cause and effect, that America was not attacked "out of the blue" or without reason, that the US actually carries a degree of resposibility for all the hostility directed against it? Nah, you just believe that "they hate our freedom" and similar fluff. Yeah, your freedom is such a threat to these people. No, they like your freedom just fine, it's your foreign policy they suffer under, your utter contempt for their lives that pisses them off.
Sorry for the rant and the occasional swear word, I just find this "uh, you don't want to see people die, you're a naive wimp"-argument incredibly stupid. And this "terorists are evil cowards"-attitude is so insanely ignorant and short-sighted. It offers no solutions, it's just a lazy excuse for not wanting to deal with the real problems.
And don't play me for stupid or naive: I'm not saying that just being nice to people, treating them fairly, even if they are obviously less powerful or even powerless, is going to make hatred of America, poverty or terrorism vanish, far from it. But it will definitely do more good than killing more people.
And diplomacy vs, terrorism, you're not that thick, are you? I'm not expecting the UN to go and have a cup of tea with Bin Laden. I'm talking about, for example, showing that America is benevolent in it's foreign policy. That, as "The land of the free, home of the brave", "greatest nation on earth" and all that, they can take a leading role in the world that reflects their ideals, not betrays them. Show that America can do as it says, and not show that America's President tells the world "we don't torture", when, quite obviously, they do, and they support it at the highest level. Show that as the richest country on the planet, the US will actually make sacrifices for the common good, like many other, less wealthy countries do. It could, for example, pay it's debt to the UN. It could value the global environment more than short-term economic benefits, but it doesn't. It (and the EU, for that matter) could choose to trade fairly with poorer nations, instead of forcing them into tariff agreements that artificially lower prices and keep competition down. They could stop destroying entire national economies by stopping their own subventions, which they could certainly afford. They could stop treating the rest of the world like irrelevant pieces of shit and still expect them to adore and follow the US. They can afford to give more foreign aid than any country in the world, but they give less than many poorer nations. They could show that they value human rights for all humans, not just Americans. They invade and bomb sovereign countries for no good reason. They fight a prolonged, unjustified war that cost anywhere between 60.000 and 600.000 civilian lives and then have the unbelievable arrogance to call it a mere "comma" in history. They "want to bring democracy to the middle east" and can't even fix their own. Those things and dozens more. All this falls under diplomacy. All this directly affects what the world thinks of America. All this gives people reasons to disagree with, despise or hate America.
So how do you stop them hating America? Maybe fix those things? Maybe do good things instead of bad things? Nooooo, that would be head-in-the-sand liberalism, because it doesn't involve blowing shit up. No, in fact that would actually be solving problems instead of exacerbating them. I assure you, making trade fair is much harder, takes more commitment, more bravery, more determination, more sacrifices than the war on terror or the war in Iraq. But, as opposed to the latter two, the former will actually help, and not make things worse. And it won't happen, not because it wouldn't work in the long run, but because a couple of thousand Americans would lose their jobs, and you can't run a campaign on that.
Yes, some stupid fuck in a villa in Riad will always want to blow up America, but fuck him. Let him try. If he succeeds, bad luck. Shit happens. People kill, people die. Sometimes that will be your people. Get over it. Iraq has the equivalent of a 9/11 every couple of months, for absolutely no good reason. Just like that, thousands dead. If they're half as pissed about it as the US was, America is fucked forever.
You know what good behaviour in the world will do? It will give people reasons to not listen to the silly bugger in his villa in Riad. It will give them talking points to disagree with him.
With all due respect, fighting terrorism is a little bit more complex than ending a schoolyard duel.
I never said it wasn't, but you seem to think that blowing up a couple of evil brown people will make you safe forever. Good luck with that.
And Snipa, you aren't a "Brain-Washed by Bush, Sterotyping, Patriotic, One-sided, Angry, Hot-blooded, Redneck American." You simply have no clue as to how the world works, and you don't want to know. It's a little more complex than this "good vs. evil", "us against them" thing. I'm not condoning terrorism, believe me, but at least I have an interest in WHY it happens, which you seem to not care about at all. That guy who drives his bomb-laden truck into an American checkpoint, do you really think he's all "allah-uh-akhbar! I'm gonna be a fucking evil badass today! I hate freedom! Stupid Americans with their democracy! I'm so afraid of fighting these much better equipped soldiers man to man! I'll just blow myself up, that's easy! Die!" Do you really think that? Are you really that fucking stupid? Why is that man KILLING HIMSELF? Remember, he isn't launching a cruise missile from a submarine somewhere, he will have his own body torn to shreds, why would he do that? Because he wants to fight back, and he firmly believes a bombing like that is the only way he can do so. And why did they bomb the WTC?
"Lets fight them there so we don't have to fight them here."
It works both ways, you see. And why did Bin Laden think he had to fight the US in the US? Because he fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan. And do you think the US supported the Mujahedin because they were worried about their freedom? Bullshit. They wanted them to kill Soviets for them. They didn't send food, they sent weapons. After the war, did the US actually help Afghanistan? No, they just pissed off. Left a broken, failed state full of people who thought that America cared about them, only to find that they were just tools.
Does it gradually begin to dawn on you that things happen for a reason, that there is a law of cause and effect, that America was not attacked "out of the blue" or without reason, that the US actually carries a degree of resposibility for all the hostility directed against it? Nah, you just believe that "they hate our freedom" and similar fluff. Yeah, your freedom is such a threat to these people. No, they like your freedom just fine, it's your foreign policy they suffer under, your utter contempt for their lives that pisses them off.
Sorry for the rant and the occasional swear word, I just find this "uh, you don't want to see people die, you're a naive wimp"-argument incredibly stupid. And this "terorists are evil cowards"-attitude is so insanely ignorant and short-sighted. It offers no solutions, it's just a lazy excuse for not wanting to deal with the real problems.
For anyone who is free of the "Dome of ignorance*", including everyone outside of US and Canada, and those who are inside but intelegent to break free of it, this is merely common sense. But for those who are inside the dome, they would simply put it as "total b******t".
For the persons who still think that the terrorists attack the US for no reason at all and that the US is doing anything good to the world, PLEASE, go outside of your country and see what's really happening! I am studying in the US, actually, and I heard a student who had attended a foreign exchange programme, saying: "We suck! We really suck! We screw up so many countries and made their people suffer from hunger". This is the truth, no matter you accept it or not. Yes. He is an american that managed to break free of the "dome of ignorance".
Thanks espylaub for explaining what I cannot due to my limitation in language ability.
*Dome of ignorance: A US policy that filters all information about the US's nasty behavior from her citizens, rendering them unaware of what's really happening in the world.
EDIT: Fanger, according to your logic:
1. Humans have always been attacking each other for no reason;
2. The terrorists attacked you for no reason;
Then, what's wrong with them attacking you? They are just doing what humans should do, right? RIGHT?
Truly, I know that human nature is not as bad as you think. Stop trashtalking our own species in order to rationalise your (and the terrorists') injustice act.
EDIT2: Corrected some of my embarassing spelling mistakes.
For the persons who still think that the terrorists attack the US for no reason at all and that the US is doing anything good to the world, PLEASE, go outside of your country and see what's really happening! I am studying in the US, actually, and I heard a student who had attended a foreign exchange programme, saying: "We suck! We really suck! We screw up so many countries and made their people suffer from hunger". This is the truth, no matter you accept it or not. Yes. He is an american that managed to break free of the "dome of ignorance".
Thanks espylaub for explaining what I cannot due to my limitation in language ability.
*Dome of ignorance: A US policy that filters all information about the US's nasty behavior from her citizens, rendering them unaware of what's really happening in the world.
EDIT: Fanger, according to your logic:
1. Humans have always been attacking each other for no reason;
2. The terrorists attacked you for no reason;
Then, what's wrong with them attacking you? They are just doing what humans should do, right? RIGHT?
Truly, I know that human nature is not as bad as you think. Stop trashtalking our own species in order to rationalise your (and the terrorists') injustice act.
EDIT2: Corrected some of my embarassing spelling mistakes.
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Guess I should have said "Most" Instead of all. My bad.
Oh yes, I do mean to say most.
Now its starting to sound like WWII.
KILL ALL JEWS! KILL ALL JEWS!
Seiriously, thats blatent racism. Guess people confuse the words "Al quieda" With "Iraqi". Hey, its all the same language, must mean the same damn thing!
Oh yes, I do mean to say most.
I personally think we ought to either A: KILL ALL THE IRAQIS, or B: GTFO...
Now its starting to sound like WWII.KILL ALL JEWS! KILL ALL JEWS!
Seiriously, thats blatent racism. Guess people confuse the words "Al quieda" With "Iraqi". Hey, its all the same language, must mean the same damn thing!
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Unfortunately, throughout the world, poverty has a direct relation to violence, and vice versa. Even within the borders of your great Fatherland, the United States. The vast majority of violent crime deals with poverty-striken people.
The direct relation with global violence and America is America's relation with global economics; its economic imperialism, proxy-wars, invasions and military "interventions" have not only killed millions but have indirectly led to the deaths of millions more by providing an ample environment of poverty and lawlessness. Cambodia is one direct example; after a few hundred thousand Cambodians were killed by the US during the Vietnam war, the resulting anarchy allowed the insane Khmer Rouge to take control and kill off a sizable chunk of the population. It wasn't until the "great Communist enemy" Vietnam invaded and ousted the Khmer Rouge that they were saved from that tyranny.
Anyway, the past 60 years, since the end of World War Two, is chalk-full of instances where the United States has intervened economically, politically, or militarily, with disastrous results, and those results have directly led to the state the world is currently in today. That isn't to say that AMerica is the "big evil Empire". Every western country has had its share of being accomplices and instigators -- such as Belgium's colonial interference in the Congo, France in Algeria, etc. It's not that all of those violent bastards around the world think that the United States personally came and kicked them in the balls. But they recognize, and rightly so, that the United States' interference in the name of "The War on Communism" has fucked a lot of countries and a lot of people.
The direct relation with global violence and America is America's relation with global economics; its economic imperialism, proxy-wars, invasions and military "interventions" have not only killed millions but have indirectly led to the deaths of millions more by providing an ample environment of poverty and lawlessness. Cambodia is one direct example; after a few hundred thousand Cambodians were killed by the US during the Vietnam war, the resulting anarchy allowed the insane Khmer Rouge to take control and kill off a sizable chunk of the population. It wasn't until the "great Communist enemy" Vietnam invaded and ousted the Khmer Rouge that they were saved from that tyranny.
Anyway, the past 60 years, since the end of World War Two, is chalk-full of instances where the United States has intervened economically, politically, or militarily, with disastrous results, and those results have directly led to the state the world is currently in today. That isn't to say that AMerica is the "big evil Empire". Every western country has had its share of being accomplices and instigators -- such as Belgium's colonial interference in the Congo, France in Algeria, etc. It's not that all of those violent bastards around the world think that the United States personally came and kicked them in the balls. But they recognize, and rightly so, that the United States' interference in the name of "The War on Communism" has fucked a lot of countries and a lot of people.
I don't have to break it. I am not inside it since I was born.
And for the answer you demanded, it has been posted for a million times by various people (including Spiked, in the last post) in various forms. READ THEM!!! But for a teenage child like you, it is a little bit hard to understand those multi-syllable terms so I don't blame you.
P.S. It's bwansy, not bwanzy. But since it is not English, as long as it reads like so it doesn't really matter.
And for the answer you demanded, it has been posted for a million times by various people (including Spiked, in the last post) in various forms. READ THEM!!! But for a teenage child like you, it is a little bit hard to understand those multi-syllable terms so I don't blame you.
P.S. It's bwansy, not bwanzy. But since it is not English, as long as it reads like so it doesn't really matter.
AhAHAHAHA... That is your excuse..
So far, all I have seen is "America has butted in to this, or interrupted this"
I have seen nothing that tells me how America has done something to harm the economy or personal spendings of civilians.. I'll reread the topic, and I hope I find what you said people have posted a lot...
edit: You must've posted that right as I was editing it...
So far, all I have seen is "America has butted in to this, or interrupted this"
I have seen nothing that tells me how America has done something to harm the economy or personal spendings of civilians.. I'll reread the topic, and I hope I find what you said people have posted a lot...
edit: You must've posted that right as I was editing it...
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Oh, I think so. So glad you have changed your attitude. Yes. calm down.Snipawolf wrote:edit: You must've posted that right as I was editing it...
And no. That's not an excuse. "Economic sanction", "unfair trade" have explained it perfectly. Just like saying "someone beat somebody", do you still have to ask "how did he beat him"? So, I think your queation is more of "what is beating?" Did I get it wrong?
I don't have time (nor do I have the ability) to explain exactly what these mean. Anyone with knowledge of economics, please explain to him.
Bwansy, since you decided to ignore my question and instead call me brainwashed by Bush, who is far too soft by the way, I will pose my question to you again.
Decimator wrote:Don't be a fool. How do you negotiate with those who want to kill you? Tell them to wait ten years? These people are insane. What exactly do you suggest? They want us DEAD! If somebody is loading a gun in front of you, telling you they're going to kill you, take your money, rape your wife, and then sell your children as sex slaves, tell me, oh great one, what exactly should you do?
By the way, we'll assume that you had some sense and have a loaded gun.
I would love to learn, my previous 2 post were asking...And Snipa, you aren't a "Brain-Washed by Bush, Sterotyping, Patriotic, One-sided, Angry, Hot-blooded, Redneck American." You simply have no clue as to how the world works, and you don't want to know. It's a little more complex than this "good vs. evil", "us against them" thing. I'm not condoning terrorism, believe me, but at least I have an interest in WHY it happens, which you seem to not care about at all. That guy who drives his bomb-laden truck into an American checkpoint, do you really think he's all "allah-uh-akhbar! I'm gonna be a fucking evil badass today! I hate freedom! Stupid Americans with their democracy! I'm so afraid of fighting these much better equipped soldiers man to man! I'll just blow myself up, that's easy! Die!" Do you really think that? Are you really that fucking stupid? Why is that man KILLING HIMSELF? Remember, he isn't launching a cruise missile from a submarine somewhere, he will have his own body torn to shreds, why would he do that? Because he wants to fight back, and he firmly believes a bombing like that is the only way he can do so. And why did they bomb the WTC?
I never said it was good vs evil. I hope I didn't imply it. If I did, I didn't mean to.
Of course. They aren't like that.. They get angry, and do things they think will make their attackors unhappy, or dead. They fight back, like you said. Terrorists are human, we are human, soldiers are human. We all suffer flaws.
Anger is like a fire. It spreads. It feeds, it grows. It jumps from one person to another. How did Osama get a large force of terrorists? He used anger, loaded words (Example : Honor), revealed to them what has happened to them at our hands, said it was God's will.
How the world works.. I have no clue, but if you are calling me "fucking stupid" about it, then perhaps you could care to explain.
Bwansy, what I MEANT was the fact that going back and looking for it was your excuse for not telling me. Nothing political related, okay?
I said, I would strike back, just like what the Iraqi civilians did, only that they didn't even have a gun. And they perished under the US troop's machine gun.Decimator wrote:Bwansy, since you decided to ignore my question and instead call me brainwashed by Bush, who is far too soft by the way, I will pose my question to you again.
Decimator wrote:Don't be a fool. How do you negotiate with those who want to kill you? Tell them to wait ten years? These people are insane. What exactly do you suggest? They want us DEAD! If somebody is loading a gun in front of you, telling you they're going to kill you, take your money, rape your wife, and then sell your children as sex slaves, tell me, oh great one, what exactly should you do?
By the way, we'll assume that you had some sense and have a loaded gun.
Snipa, I have never said you are stupid. Ignorance and stupidity are two different things. Why do people often mix up two different ideas? I am just saying that the information that youare allowed to receive (i.e. the information the media is allow to publish) is filtered by your government.
And, "economic sanction" was posted by me, and you didn't read it after I posted it. Technically I have told you. And now, I am telling you again. the US make other countries poor by economic sanction and unfair trade. Please read the last sentence I have typed. Again, economic sanction and unfair trade. I repeat, economic sanction and unfair trade.
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