SlapNick Griffin

[Forboding Angel]

I consider muslims to be a subclass of people (based upon common sense and education).

Pardon?

Yes some "muslims" are highly educated, but being highly educated doesn't mean that you aren't an idiot.

Cute.

Let me put it in easy to understand terms for you tom. The 911 bombers were, for the most part, highly educated (some if not most in the US... tell me that's not ironic) but they still hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. Does that strike you as being particularly bright? They strap bombs to themselves and blow up schools? Are you seeing the genius yet? They still practice circumcision of women, which is just fucking disgusting. Sharia law strike you as a great idea? You want one of these bright shining stars to come and run your country? Knock yourself out buddy, enjoy. And yes, I know the meaning of jihad.

The muslim world view is ridiculously narrow.

And @steve, I can tell you right now, if I had to leave the US the first place I would go is Canada (and if that shit doesn't work out, fuckit, we're off to Suriname!). Canada may not be perfect (nowhere is), but it's similar enough to the US that I could stand to live there (but seriously... wtf is up with quebec and *shudder* newfoundland?).

Regarding britain, I have to agree. Chruchhill was an out and out badass, but ever since then it's been a slide downhill (Course, in a manner of speaking you could say the same of US leaders, but we had some bright spots... Reagan, and a few others. But we also had Carter, which manages to nix all the good ones for the past 50 years and somehow through thick and thin the country has managed to flourish, so I guess we aren't doin it too badly).

Btw, we have you brits (in large part anyway) to thank for all the PC crap here in the states Thankfully, the majority of americans could give a shit less about pc, so I guess it balances out to some degree.

[tombom]

Let me put it in easy to understand terms for you tom. The 911 bombers were, for the most part, highly educated (some if not most in the US... tell me that's not ironic) but they still hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. Does that strike you as being particularly bright? They strap bombs to themselves and blow up schools? Are you seeing the genius yet? They still practice circumcision of women, which is just fucking disgusting. Sharia law strike you as a great idea? You want one of these bright shining stars to come and run your country? Knock yourself out buddy, enjoy. And yes, I know the meaning of jihad.

The muslim world view is ridiculously narrow.

of course i'm not defending many of the more horrible aspects of muslim traditions (fgm is of course despicable but it's definitely not muslim specific). my point is merely that it's ridiculous to suggest muslims are somehow different from other religions and that they could never possibly integrate in to western culture, or that they are an extraordinary thread to the world.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

The question time episode in question was utterly biased. it was literally a 200 hundred strong, handpicked studio audience AND the cabinet VS nick. They sat him next to a black woman. they never ever let him finish, they spoke over him, and generally just shouted him down. he was a moron to let himself in for a 210 vs 1 and Im pretty sure the bnp will pursue legal action against the BBC for breaking their charter of impartiality (I heard they already are).

[Neddie]

The muslim world view I percieve as demonstrated by an extremely small subset of the population, numbering an estimated one in ten thousand believers, is ridiculously narrow.

Fixed.

The question time episode in question was utterly biased. it was literally a 200 hundred strong, handpicked studio audience AND the cabinet VS nick. They sat him next to a black woman. they never ever let him finish, they spoke over him, and generally just shouted him down. he was a moron to let himself in for a 210 vs 1 and Im pretty sure the bnp will pursue legal action against the BBC for breaking their charter of impartiality (I heard they already are).

Ah, but he was well aware of the odds before participating, was he not?

[tombom]

The muslim world view I percieve as demonstrated by an extremely small subset of the population, numbering an estimated one in ten thousand believers, is ridiculously narrow.

Fixed

ah shit, i can't believe i forgot to mention that a sample size of 10 or so from a population of 1.5 billion people is kind of poor

[Jazcash]

The question time episode in question was utterly biased. it was literally a 200 hundred strong, handpicked studio audience AND the cabinet VS nick. They sat him next to a black woman. they never ever let him finish, they spoke over him, and generally just shouted him down. he was a moron to let himself in for a 210 vs 1 and Im pretty sure the bnp will pursue legal action against the BBC for breaking their charter of impartiality (I heard they already are).

Ah, but he was well aware of the odds before participating, was he not?

No Neddie, he wasn't. He thought it'd be a sensible political debate using the traditional Question Time format. On top of that, he didn't think the audience would be preselected which it obviously was. The majority of comments on the BNP videos are in favour of the BNP, simply because Nick was bullied so much.

[Jazcash]

Thankfully, the majority of americans could give a shit less about pc, so I guess it balances out to some degree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCUsPnKD1gk

[FLOZi]

The question time episode in question was utterly biased. it was literally a 200 hundred strong, handpicked studio audience AND the cabinet VS nick. They sat him next to a black woman. they never ever let him finish, they spoke over him, and generally just shouted him down. he was a moron to let himself in for a 210 vs 1 and Im pretty sure the bnp will pursue legal action against the BBC for breaking their charter of impartiality (I heard they already are).

As I stated before, It followed the normal format, and the audience was not 'handpicked'.

[Neddie]

The question time episode in question was utterly biased. it was literally a 200 hundred strong, handpicked studio audience AND the cabinet VS nick. They sat him next to a black woman. they never ever let him finish, they spoke over him, and generally just shouted him down. he was a moron to let himself in for a 210 vs 1 and Im pretty sure the bnp will pursue legal action against the BBC for breaking their charter of impartiality (I heard they already are).

Ah, but he was well aware of the odds before participating, was he not?

No Neddie, he wasn't. He thought it'd be a sensible political debate using the traditional Question Time format. On top of that, he didn't think the audience would be preselected which it obviously was. The majority of comments on the BNP videos are in favour of the BNP, simply because Nick was bullied so much.

I find it very hard to believe that anybody with any sense of self and education, given his beliefs and behaviours, would not know that participation in a public forum would be extremely biased. I contend that having weighed the odds he accepted the situation as a method to developing political capital, though demonstrating his own marginalization by the established mechanisms of society. It is what I would have done, particularly if I was a proponent of such vicious and narrow policy changes - the trope of persecution is ever a grand tool of the socially repressive and regressive.

[Jazcash]

I find it very hard to believe that anybody with any sense of self and education, given his beliefs and behaviours, would not know that participation in a public forum would be extremely biased. I contend that having weighed the odds he accepted the situation as a method to developing political capital, though demonstrating his own marginalization by the established mechanisms of society. It is what I would have done, particularly if I was a proponent of such vicious and narrow policy changes - the trope of persecution is ever a grand tool of the socially repressive and regressive.

You have succeeded in baffling me with your made up words.

Court hearings are not biased. Arguments and decisions are made from following the law. If the person has not broken the law, they cannot be forced to punishment depending on anybody elses opinions despite if everybody in the room is against them.

He didn't know that he wouldn't even get a chance to express his own thoughts and opinions. Not to mention the BBC also being against him and probably editing a lot of the parts out where he did triumph.

Regardless, my penis is still bigger than yours.

[AF]

IIRC he expressed quite a number of opinions and fallacies, including that we should not teach children what homosexuality is or even sexuality in general or any kind of sex education, that there is an english ethnic population, that there are non violent Ku Klux Klan organisations.

We saw him trip up on himself several times, we saw quotes from videos where he contradicts what he says on TV and shows himself as outright racist

How anybody can vote for him after watching the KKK speech video, nevermind the other stuff, begars belief.

Nice link btw on 'could care less'

[Neddie]

The law is subjectively applied, the practice of law is the practice of analogy applied to sentiment and, to a lesser extent, evidence which is primarily circumstantial. Court hearings are always biased, the information is presented in a biased manner dependent on the information gathered, the method in which it was gathered and the legal counsel involved. The jurors are pre-informed as to the character of the defendant, generally speaking, through the biased presentation of the media. The law itself is constructed in bias, delineating specific problems, and the enforcement of the law is conducted in bias, primarily targeting specific groups of people. In the United States, the vast majority of cases never even make it to trial anymore. This discussion has little to do with the practice or mispractice of law, however.

I think he knew that he would not be allowed to speak, and he went on anyway so he could spin the fact that he was not allowed to speak at length for political gain. It is a simple concept.

[AF]

You people do know that the BNP was forced to change their party constitution by the courts because it violated the racial equality act? The BNP weren't allowing non whites to join their party and ti was ruled illegal and racist, and now they've changed their constitution to avoid further legal action, and frozen new memberships to prevent non-whites joining.

[tombom]

I consider muslims to be a subclass of people (based upon common sense and education).

Yes some "muslims" are highly educated, but being highly educated doesn't mean that you aren't an idiot.

somebody just pointed out to me how absurdly offensive and hateful this is. it hadn't fully sunk in before. do you really think like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk

[MidKnight]

Islam preaches tolerance of other monotheistic religions. The 9/11 bombers were directly contradicting their faith.
If someone decided to go and massacre everyone who owns an iPhone for the sake of Christianity, would you call Christians uneducated sub-humans?

Another thing to look at is geography; most predominantly Muslim countries are in war or turmoil. Do you attribute the actions of Nazi Germany to war-borne insanity or Christianity?

Edit: Regarding Muslim treatment of women. What you say is wrong, yes, but it isn't Islam.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadijah_bint_Khuwaylid

[Gertkane]

Forb, so bombing cities, schools and hospitals usings artillery, bombs, missiles, rockets, nuclear warheads is using common sense and education but when an extraordinary small amount of extremists (contrary to a whole nation democratically agreeing to such acts) from another religion do it using suicide bombs all the followers are suddenly not using common sense and therefore below the average american on the evolutionary ladder.

Nice education and common sense used in building that argument, you have proven youself as a valuable asset to humankind.

[Forboding Angel]

I consider muslims to be a subclass of people (based upon common sense and education).

Yes some "muslims" are highly educated, but being highly educated doesn't mean that you aren't an idiot.

somebody just pointed out to me how absurdly offensive and hateful this is. it hadn't fully sunk in before. do you really think like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk

Subclass in this instance was used as describing someone as having less class than others (as in: like, dude, that chick like, isn't like, classy, like, at all!. So you can keep going with your bandwagon if you want, but whatever dude.

I mistakenly used "Subclass" as a noun instead of an adverb, But at the time of writing I didn't consider the fact that it could be misconstrued from what I intended. Subclass was not meant to mean Apes vs Humans, that's absurd and goes against everything I believe in (for example, equality).

[Forboding Angel]

Forb, so bombing cities, schools and hospitals usings artillery, bombs, missiles, rockets, nuclear warheads is using common sense and education but when an extraordinary small amount of extremists (contrary to a whole nation democratically agreeing to such acts) from another religion do it using suicide bombs all the followers are suddenly not using common sense and therefore below the average american on the evolutionary ladder.

Nice education and common sense used in building that argument, you have proven youself as a valuable asset to humankind.

At what point did I ever say that was common sense? You're assuming a lot. Regarding the second part of your first paragraph, strapping a bomb to oneself is never common sense.

At what point did I compare anyone to Americans? Where are you getting this drivel?

Islam preaches tolerance of other monotheistic religions. The 9/11 bombers were directly contradicting their faith.
If someone decided to go and massacre everyone who owns an iPhone for the sake of Christianity, would you call Christians uneducated sub-humans?

Another thing to look at is geography; most predominantly Muslim countries are in war or turmoil. Do you attribute the actions of Nazi Germany to war-borne insanity or Christianity?

Edit: Regarding Muslim treatment of women. What you say is wrong, yes, but it isn't Islam.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadijah_bint_Khuwaylid

Read my previous post MK.

Some Islam preaches tolerance. Not all. Some Islam also teaches you that it's ok to go and beat the hell out of your wife.

Oh and also, a power drunk, biggoted, insane, brutal Dictator, who happened to have enough personality and drive that he managed to get his entire nation to support his efforts.

[Jazcash]

Yeh, I'm no racist and have no problem with any race in our country. My problem is the overcrowding and our nation laying out the red carpet for them all. If a guy flees from his own country to escape maybe debts owned or cirmes commited, he shouldn't be able to freely come bunk with us in UK with welcoming gifts and the comfort of safety.

Some guys could kill a few people in their own country, then come to UK and recieve benefits. If he was found out, he may go to prison where he's provided free food, safety, TV and other entertainment. The saddening thing is, he gets these luxuries at the expense of the tax payer who pays for the prisons to capacitate these criminals by the thousands.

So there's these criminals having it easy in prison when there's tens of thousands of dying people in prison ranging from babies and kids to fathers, mothers and war heros for example.

That's just a single point. There are so many many other points where corruption is active within the UK...

[MidKnight]

Islam preaches tolerance of other monotheistic religions. The 9/11 bombers were directly contradicting their faith.
If someone decided to go and massacre everyone who owns an iPhone for the sake of Christianity, would you call Christians uneducated sub-humans?

Another thing to look at is geography; most predominantly Muslim countries are in war or turmoil. Do you attribute the actions of Nazi Germany to war-borne insanity or Christianity?

Edit: Regarding Muslim treatment of women. What you say is wrong, yes, but it isn't Islam.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadijah_bint_Khuwaylid

Read my previous post MK.

Some Islam preaches tolerance. Not all. Some Islam also teaches you that it's ok to go and beat the hell out of your wife.

The book, however, preaches tolerance.

Oh and also, a power drunk, biggoted, insane, brutal Dictator, who happened to have enough personality and drive that he managed to get his entire nation to support his efforts.

Who?