Spring RTS Engine

Well of course not all the time, but I always watched the replays of my games early on to pick up tactics other players used and spectating allows you to do that without getting a pummeling first. We shouldn't stop them having the option is all I'm saying...

DJ wrote:I don't think its a very good idea to have two servers. Another good way for a noob to learn is by spectating pro games. With two servers you'd remove that option

No one's ever said this so I will: Spectating isn't fun for plenty of people.

When someone buys Starcraft and takes it home, loads it up, does it say "Grab a drink and snack and watch these battles for several hours. By the time you're done you'll know how to play against the computer and others." No, it gives you tutorials and campaigns and you can go online and read a few quick strats on the web.

That is what is needed here. Some of you like to spec, that's fine. You won't attract new people by telling them to remove their hands from the keyboard and sit there. There are plenty of other games to play out there where you aren't told not to play the game in order to play it.

picard wrote:

Let the community decease by itself. Quit.

Antielite are you suggesting that we just allow the community to die and dissappear without even care or regard !!!

What are you saying?

I happen to think this is .......
THE BEST RTS game ever, and I have been around a whille
in the gaming scene, probably twice as long as you have lived.
and believe me it wont happen again for reasons ive already mentioned
Take care what you say or wish for it may just happen
if more people think like you!

I gave up with WA for over a year, went back and things were worse. Now there are players interviewing others to get a proof that they aren't noobs, else kick!

@CarRepairer

maybe you'd like to read the original post about decent tutorials and single player. I never suggested spectating was the answer but what i did say was that people do spectate games and that it would be a bad move to stop them.

err ya i tried to spectate a few games today and got booted. I always play spring on SP cause my connection at my apartment blows right now because I'm* broke and today I went on campus and wanted to see how people play online and how I'd have to alter playstyle to compensate. Does spectating have some kind of negative effect on preformance or something? I dont really see why you wouldnt let noobs spectate I mean they arent going to screw anything up that way... except maybe the chatbox or drawings i guess but really.

edit; I guess i should note that no one was being impolite or anything they just preferred not to have spectators even if they werent noobs. i wanted to know if it was detrimental to performance to spectate cause I would stop trying and start playing if thats true.

no its not, and the players cant see your drawings either

Just one small small add to this post.

Get someone who know how to use these luas and set up a tutorial.
You know, one that explains where you should build mexes and stuff.

It may take some time to do, but i am sure its possible.

I would say that this would help the newcomers to learn the basics quickly without being flamed ingame.

Summary : this will make the gameplay better allover since we will have less "nooblike" noobs and less flamers.

just a though...

dammit

where is all this manpower coming from

just how many people are working on coding for lua and spring?

Scratch wrote:dammit

where is all this manpower coming from

just how many people are working on coding for lua and spring?

not that many. Quant *is* working on a tutorial, but fully capable lua devs dont just appear out of nowhere.

cmon guys I appreciate what you are saying, we do need a good single player tutorial, BUT we all know that there is no substitute for playing against real live players.
And you only improve your game when playing someone is better than you.
What I am saying is cut the noobs some slack!
If a new guy has taken the trouble and effort and make no mistake Just getting into the spring Lobby for the first time in no mean acheivement.
So if if someone has gone to that much trouble its because he wants to get really get in on the action.
How sad that Spring has such a huge drop off rate of newbies, it could be much much bigger.
Whilst yes tutorials will help, the main reason people get put off the game I suggest has a lot more to do with treatment they recieve from better players in the community than their inability to get to grips with the mechanics of the game!
Heres an idea, maybe create a mentor system whereby noobs are offered a mentor vets could volunteer their names on a list, maybe even publish their acheivments in terms of ranking their pupils have acheived and numbers of their pupils.
I dunno so much about ranking mentors but I think the idea has some merit.
Obviously more people will then go onto Clan teams and more inter-clan action

I blame the code optimization Even people with over 2ghz complain.

No. I quit when I see a ***** or #$¨%%& or @#$()%*@$)&¨.... mark on my units...

There is something you have to realise about people who kick specs from the lobby (as opposed to in game, if they start to lag).

They are noobs.

I agree with smurfs being a problem. You'll balance two teams with a noob on each and the noob on one turns out to be a top player. Its very annoying. I tend to assume a one-stripe is a smurf, not a noob, because there are more of them.

I agree with the initial post .
but tbh its unavoidable in any community..it all depends on the mood of a certai nplayer,and there is no need to get hurt cause someone calls you a noob.Sometimes a person wants a good game and gets angry if after 30 min his team fails cause of a noob.

You dont need to take it personnaly,he will calm down in 2 min and everything will be fine.

you sai the community might die. Here i agree with you 100%
but not cause of people calling each other noobs or any other curse word.

The real reason is that the lobby isnt user friendly!!!!!I try saying it everywhere so all will remember it.Tbh the most important things that are needed in ta now is better performance and if possible(although i heard nobody wants to do it cause its very hard)allow duel core support,and a lobby that will encorporate everything within it.including downloading maps and mods with the descriptions and pictures available in the lobby and everything is installed automaticly and the lobby must emphesize everything that has to do with help conserning the gameplay.

i repeat.
we need optimization and perhaps duel core support and a lobby that installes everything automaticly!!!imo those are the 2 most important things to do in spring now..if at least a lobby like that will be finished it will help the spring communiuty a lote! plus include an option in the lobby that when you press some button the lobby will automaticly load a preaxisting cut replay(if possible) or play a video that shows most played mods(yes,most played not all because people will want to see the mods that get played the most cause they are usually impatiant.)that option is needed for total noobs so they can see it immediatly after they enter the lobby for the first time to understand what spring is and that its worthwhile to mess around with it and spend time understanding it.

I agree a better lobby and more user friendly ui absolutley but dont ignore nor underestimate "noob abuse"
Its not just being called a noob thats the problem.
Unfortunately people dont cool down on some occasions and carry their resentment through to other new games and sometimes for weeks.
Im sure you have seen it yourself when entering a multiplayer game noobs come under attack before the game begins, sometimes asked to leave sometimes kicked and then if that doesnt work hike up the rank limit.
This all means that a new player who is looking for a game may wait a considerable time and then net even then get any joy
They will then attempt to host a game and get more abuse because they havnt got the hang of it or maybe not got an upgraded lobby.
I am sure many must have just give up and left.
Personally the I dont mind the game technics at all and it certainly never entered my head to not play the game because of poor graphics or presentation, though I agree it would be great to improve it.

Im sorry to say this, and please forgive me if it is somewhat egotistical:

I think the Spring lobby is perfect. It is not hard to figure out how to use it. Whats so bad about it? If you don't know something, like how to make boxes, someone will easily tell you. ITS A BIG CHAT ROOM. Just type something if you dont know what to do.

Spring intimidation of noobs might be good. Our community may not be big, but it will be well honed. I never gave up because Spring is truly the best RTS in existence and possibly the best ever to exist! If you are intimidated out of the game, you do not have the passion for RTS gaming that I have, or that is necessary to really excell. Im not saying that I excell, but I have the confidence that I will someday excell. Flames cant take that.

Why a tut on econ? If you cant figure out how to encompass the most amount of yellow/white in a circle, then you probably are not smart enough to manage such a game as spring. You need some education. That was mean to say, but I think it is really true. The wiki here gave me all the info necessary. If people would just read it...

As a side note, the guys seems to like the girls. I get more help than some random noob guy. For example, I was playing some stupid match on Small divide 3v3, and I was trying to porc up the middle, and phailing, so rather than raging me, some guys just gave me a con bot and solved the issue. The only thing about this is stalkerism, but its not too bad. At least everyone is very nice. On the other extreme, people seem offended by girls playing their manly rts. Sometimes.

are you really a girl? how could anybody _possibly_ pick that up?

and imo no it's not good to be intimidated by spring, a lot of the basics are confusing

the wholw problem comes from,again,not user friendly enough lobby.
we need to have a self updating lobby...that encompasses everything you need.plus all widgets and mods need to be updatable,thusyou can pick in the lobby what mods/maps/widgets etc to watch for and those that are selected will self update when newere version come out..

that way everyone will be up to date on everything.
I wonder..maybe our problem is that we dont have a must/allowed/exceptions/concept/prioritised to do sheet?
maybe we dont have a good enough guidlines?maybe thats why its all so chaotic.. the whole ranking system of maps/mods/widgets must be more dominant..how else should a noob know what widget to download???there are so many.. its silly really.. it all must be emphesized in a smart way in a new revamped lobby.

DZHIBRISH wrote:the lobby isnt user friendly!!!!!I try saying it everywhere so all will remember it.

you should check out springlobby.
It's got a great interface, is being worked on by a very dedicated group...

But yeah...the main one that gets installed with the program should probably be changed.

if springlobby is gonna be awsome and include all those things i listed that great ill download it as soon as it is ready.. a lobby must correct all user unfriendlinesses....it should emphesize places that provide guaidance to managing spring and gameplay and allow to customize ur "spring profiel" where u have ur mods ur map and ur widgets that get updated automaticly and you choose em all if ur a noob by an easy ranking system that tells you which mods/maps/widgets are most popular.. (ffs even number of downloads is enough...

So in the end you install spring and u have a base setup that is chosen for you that allowes you t odive into a game straight away with maps downloading on the fly and if you really dont want to wait there is a big flashy button that says "try me" u press it and you see what spring is all about...if you cant find a game and ur waiting you are always reminded that there is a help section explaining stuff about the lobby about spring and about the gameplay on specific mods..you have a cool fan art section...you can download specific advertising videos that were made about spring and so on...

tombom wrote:are you really a girl? how could anybody _possibly_ pick that up?

and imo no it's not good to be intimidated by spring, a lot of the basics are confusing

What are you trying to say?