Forboding Angel wrote:You are mistaken Z. The bug bang was originally conspired as a way to take a God out of the equation, however, in a way, a big bang of sorts while not making much scientific sense, would be a way of describing creation.
The big bang was originally thought out by a christian priest, Georges Lemaître, and actually neatly fit with the genesis. Just as one exemple, the genesis had that line about "Let there be light", and the modern Big Bang model explains that the universe had to expand a bit before light could freely flow.
Forboding Angel wrote:Denial of a theory? Well, duh. The big bang is only a theory. I assume you understand the difference between scientific theories and scientific laws... For example the laws of gravity, which can be readily proven.
I already told you that "theory" in science keeps getting called theories even after they've been proven and generally taken for true.
Forby Boy wrote:Well these two are pretty self explanatory. Don't worship false gods and don't put the importance of anything worldly before me (in other words, don't get so wrapped up in shit that you lose sight).
More like, everybody who believe in other gods is wrong. Also, before, everybody was polytheist. You could pray to a Mesopotamian god for something, and Greek god for something else, there was no contradiction. Religions could peaceful coexist. The Jewish/Islamic/Christian god, on the other hand, demands exclusivity, and hatred toward any other religions.
Forby Boy wrote:Pretty simple, don't curse God's name.
Which everybody, religious or not, does routinely.
Forby wrote:Widely recognized as a weekly day of rest. Or a restful day. In other words, this is your "Happy day", enjoy it as much as possible.
Too bad the unleashed capitalism of today is destroying that. Making it compulsory to have a rest day per week was a pretty good thing, from a human development point of view.
Forb wrote:Listen to your parents, and don't dishonor them.
When you're a child, it goes without saying. When you're older, while it's true you should care for you parent, there should be some condition that allow children to get free of their parent whim.
Forb wrote:Don't commit murder.
It sorta misses the widely recognised cases of war, self-defense, legal death sentence, and KILLING THE HERETICS!
F.A. wrote:I submit that to have a meaningful relationship with God simply following the above rules is enough.
You know, about every atheist is also deeply convinced that stealing, murdering, cheating on your wife, neglecting your parents are very bad things. You don't need a god to have morals.
Also, last time I mentionned the ten commandments, couple page ago, you said old testament should be discounted for being too old. How comes you're now saying they're the only important bit of your religion?
FA wrote:I am not particularly religious, but I come from a christian family, and my father and brothers are excellent role models and are very good people.
In the same way that there's no news report about the billion muslim that did
not protest against facebook and peacefully stayed at home or minded their own business, we're pretty much okay with mild christian that don't take everything at face value but just go with the general idea of doing wrong is bad, doing good is nice. It's just the religious nutjob with the crazy theories that are interesting. And scary when they get into power.
F wrote:"Why is it so important to scream at the top of your lungs that there is no God and violently oppose anything to the contrary?".
Because truely believing in god makes you act in irrational way. It causes artists and doctor to be murdered, even today in western countries. It is used as a tool by religious leader to control masses (the leader will say that he's in power only because god let him so, and that therefore people not obeying him are guilty of not obeying god). It stands against improving the standard of human living (you can keep people in shit condition all their live by luring them with promisses of a better afterlife). It's a gaping flaw in reason, that can, and has been used, to justify anything and everything. The archetypal cases being: not healing people, saying they'll survive if god wills so.
As many of you probably don't know (due to lack of exposure), there are myriads of different protestant christian denominations
Yep, the US especially has tons of slightly different protestant sects and chapels. Would be cool to have more catholic in there, they are a more unified group.
Licho wrote:Its impossible to argue with people not educated in the subject you want to argue about.
I'm fascinated by how humans, living in the same western society as me, and that I still take for rational being, can throw all their logic out the window when it comes to faith. I'd like to map what they accept and what they don't, to locate the precise point where their common sense breaks down, and study better how this happens.
Licho wrote:If someone wishes to believe into something without reason, I suggest you let them do so.
That's dangerous. Because that someone will vote, and cause like-minded to be elected, which will push retrograde law unto me and my children.
And also, back on topic, I would feel safer if I was assured I'm free to draw any historical figure, let me daughter go out with head uncovered, get an abortion instead of an handicaped child, etc...
Licho wrote:I hope, that over time such people show lower reproductive success (no need for drugs, god will heal me!) and eliminate this annoying trait from humans!
Sadly, no. Both christianism and islams favor making plenty of babies, both in theory and practice. And both are quick to use modern medicin when they need it. Just, later, after they've been saved, they'll sue for having tranfused them blood, or for having transplanted them pork cells, so they can get some media coverage and further their political agenda.
