branch from cultural center debate

[Gota]

Ok, you say I'm anti muslim?I say why are you not?

coming from a country which respects the human rights of its own (jewish) citizens only this thread isnt as surprising as i thought it would be.

I meant that I am against Islam cause it is a religion,something I made clear in the same post but I am fully aware of your fanatsies and through what prism you are looking at the world.

You still need to substantiate your claims even though you are a one sided troll.
Msuslims and christians in israel enjoy the same rights as jews.
And human rights of Israeli citizens?what exactly do you mean?give me some specific example.
You know what don't bother this is off topic and your post made it evident you have no desire to discuss anything seriously.

[hoijui]

I'm not even gonna go into the CEO thing cause you base what you say on nothing.
you dont have to be a psychopath to do evil or calculated things.
Are you now gonna attribute every evil dead to psychopathy?
Maybe every persona that does some bad shit is a psychopath?
Just completely silly notions.

you talk about psychopath, me and everyone before me (including the article in question) are talking about sociopath.
you talk about evil. i did not talk about evil, good, or anything remotely judging in such terms.
can not say anything else there, cause the rest of what you say is based solely on these two inventions of yours.

you are interpreting what i said, and then acting as if i said the result of this interpretation or yours?
this only makes sense if your only goal is to reach to what you know is right, not putting care onto the way to get there.

i agree that i am brainwashed.
it is hard to be less obviously brainwashed then you are. it is clear when looking at your use of the word terrorist(s). this is not the only indicator, but it alone is a sufficient one.

Just completely silly notions.

indeed!

[Gota]

I'm not even gonna go into the CEO thing cause you base what you say on nothing.
you dont have to be a psychopath to do evil or calculated things.
Are you now gonna attribute every evil dead to psychopathy?
Maybe every persona that does some bad shit is a psychopath?
Just completely silly notions.

you talk about psychopath, me and everyone before me (including the article in question) are talking about sociopath.
you talk about evil. i did not talk about evil, good, or anything remotely judging in such terms.
can not say anything else there, cause the rest of what you say is based solely on these two inventions of yours.

you are interpreting what i said, and then acting as if i said the result of this interpretation or yours?
this only makes sense if your only goal is to reach to what you know is right, not putting care onto the way to get there.

i agree that i am brainwashed.
it is hard to be less obviously brainwashed then you are. it is clear when looking at your use of the word terrorist(s). this is not the only indicator, but it alone is a sufficient one.

Just completely silly notions.

indeed!

True i made a mistake I was for some reason sure its psychopaths.
The world terrorist bothers you?I see so what is the appropriate none brainwashed word?Freedom fighters?

an act of terror is defined as a violent act that is suppose to cause confusion and fear of the ilogical.
Whe nan act of terror is exectued those responsible are called terrorists.
I ma not sure what defintions you use...plz enlighten me.
Maybe the word terrorist is jut a bit too expressive and not restrained?
Just explain what you mean.
come on why do you think i misused the word terrorist.
And what other indicators did you find..dont just state something explain why you think so.

Ok after reading the specific location where i used that word(sigh this is getting ridicules) I assume you think that the acts of violence that Muslim fundamentalists carried out should not be called acts of terror?
Maybe in YOUR brainwashed mind terrorism means something else or a sort of negativity that you think is misplaced when used to describe these acts?

Do you think that they were in some way justified and thus do not deserve the word terror to be used to describe them?

Why do i need to guess what you mean?At least don't discredit or be afraid of your own thoughts even though you try and discredit mine.

Also commiting an ad hominem logical fallacy over and over again just convinces me that you either do not know how to present your arguments properly, or you dont really know what you really mean or what are your points in this discussion.

[PicassoCT]

Its quite ridicolous to try a discussion on this topic on the interweb. But if you dislike a religion that much, nobody stops you from studying sociology and psychology, finding its weakspot (has worked before) and kill it with the fire of enlightment. But a little warning, if you look into that topic, you might find out unpleasant things about humankind.


Oh, and here is the springseal of quality for a politic debate.

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[echoone]

an act of terror is defined as a violent act that is suppose to cause confusion and fear of the ilogical.

...for political gain or change. The act of simply waiving a gun typically invokes confusion and fear. Terrorism is violent politics.

[Gota]

an act of terror is defined as a violent act that is suppose to cause confusion and fear of the ilogical.

...for political gain or change. The act of simply waiving a gun typically invokes confusion and fear. Terrorism is violent politics.

Yes correct.I was just too lazy to copy one of the official definitions since i assumed all know the right definition.

[PicassoCT]

Religion all evilz, how can that be if they define the only truth, and didnt say that themselves?

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[echoone]

But a little warning, if you look into that topic, you might find out unpleasant things about humankind.

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[Panda]

But a little warning, if you look into that topic, you might find out unpleasant things about humankind.

La...la...la...la...la...la...I can't hear you! Ponies and butterflies...ponies and butterflies!

No, that won't do for distraction. You have to play Robot Unicorn Attack:

http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicor ... -game.html

[hoijui]

The world terrorist bothers you?

no. the way you use it reveals you as brainwashed.

an act of terror is defined as a violent act that is suppose to cause confusion and fear of the ilogical.

fear of the ilogical? explain!

act of terror: indirectly waging war against an enemy, through alternation of his environment.
in what you think of terror, this would be spreading fear in the population. then again, this is something that is most negative for the aggressor himself, and only benefits the attacked, as there is no harm done to the enemy that would weaken him.
therefore, it does not classify as terrorism at all, in this definition.
a valid example of terror in this definition is, using gas bombs.

Whe nan act of terror is exectued those responsible are called terrorists.

that is already a very much propagandistic thing.

Ok after reading the specific location where i used that word(sigh this is getting ridicules)

You used it more then once.

In your weltbild, something is reality, which in mine is something that only exists in the reality of brainwashed minds. You are trying to sell this reality to us. I am pretty sure you will fail though, as there have been more powerful forces trying to do that. We learned from that, and are now take extra caution. or say, we can not ever believe you, no matter what arguments you bring.

not all jews are like the nazis described them.

are you angry at me, or rather just astonished by my brainwashedness?
(assuming i was serious)

[Gota]

TBH all i can say is you do not understand what logic is or what proper argumentation is.
You make logical fallacies and your not really saying anything cause you have apparently nothing to actually say.
All you can do is ramble im brainwahsed saying i have said something racist and almost equating me with nazis apperently?
Saying the The people who execute an act of terror are terrorists is propagandistic?really nothing more to say there..
Ridiculous.
I dont know what place gives birth to such critical thinker as yourself.

Discussion is over.

[hoijui]

TBH all i can say is you do not understand what logic is or what proper argumentation is.
You make logical fallacies and your not really saying anything cause you have apparently nothing to actually say.

... says the one that is asking for substance all the time.

Discussion is over.

thus spoke the lord.

[bobthedinosaur]

The muslim sects aren't doing any thing really new. They are pretty much Judaism 3.0, just as Christians are 2.0.

Gota, maybe you should join an anti religion group? There are a lot out there with similar beliefs as you.

[Gota]

The muslim sects aren't doing any thing really new. They are pretty much Judaism 3.0, just as Christians are 2.0.

Gota, maybe you should join an anti religion group? There are a lot out there with similar beliefs as you.

Why would i join an anti religious group?there are anti religious political parties in israel i just vote for them.

I was just more annoyed by this attack as if i expressed any biggoted or biased opinions.
I found it annoying that some here are upset about some people grouping all muslims as if they are one hive mind but have no problems with grouping me or others with racists,religious zealots or biggots just cause some others of those that are critical of the location of the center are indeed biggots and dumb racists.

[PicassoCT]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 10184.html

Ammunition, somebody orderd Ammonution? Im working for call-a-Ammo, if i dont deliver within 20 Mins the Ammo is free, but i know somebody here was asking for it, so even you ducking and stealing yourself away wont get you away from paying, good Sir.

[echoone]

All you can do is ramble im brainwahsed

I'm going to clarify something I believe Hoijui was trying to convey. I don't believe the word, "brainwashed", is necessarily the best word to use in this discussion.

I believe he was referring to how everyone, filters the world around them based on their own personal experiences. Part of those experiences are gained through direct and indirect interactions with others. Many are unconsciously accepted into one's psyche, and there is little you can do about it. Even if you question everything, which almost no one does, not even close, the chances of something unconsciously slipping into your being is extremely high. Its the classic argument that environmental factors make up part of who you are in surprisingly complex and subtle ways.

This type of reality distortion is something all normal humans experience, with no exceptions. The only difference is, in general, some people distort their perceptions more than others. Sometimes level of distortions are dramatically determined by the topic at hand and the level of emotional attachment one has to a subject. This type of reality distortion is frequently referred to with a cliche as, "wearing rose colored glasses." This is frequently the case when the difference in opinion is based on a difference of perception rather than a difference in facts.

Because of where you live and comments you've made, it suggests to others you might have a strong emotional attachment to the subject matter and as such, is likely impossible for you to remove your "glasses" in these discussions. As such, its likely impossible for you to have an impartial discussion on this subject, no matter how much you personally believe you are doing so. The fact that your rose glasses appear to be exceptionally thick on this subject is the reason I withdrew from the discussion.

You should not view this as a personal failing or a personal attack. After all, you're just experiencing what it is to be human. Something to which I believe we can all identify.

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[Gota]

Nonesense.
I have done nothing that comes against democratic liberal believes and points of view.
your attempt at discrediting my arguments based on who you THINK i am or what you THINK my experiance on the subject is, is just falsehood and would not be accepted in any debate.

I made 2 main points:
1)all three religions are ultimately unable to create a happy conflict free society.
2)the building of the Islamic center can be easily criticized and there definitely is room for critisicm,that is not to say the builders should be stopped.

Your main point is that im bigoted ignorant emotional and thus irrational.

If i was to make such claims as you have in a debate i would want to withdraw from it as well.


I can just imagine a public debate where 2 people exchange their opinions and counter each others points and than one says "you are brainwashed, wait no you are more brainwashed than i am but it's ok i am willing to accept it cause you are human".....

eeeh.wrong,please refrain from personal attacks and direct your attention to countering the arguments themselves.

Of course personally i dont know what arguments you can possibly find.

ill repeat myself:
A few muslim pips decide to make a muslim center near ground zero.
Action sparks huge debate and criticism.
I say: "should they make a center there since its obvious it would have sparked a lot of criticism if their goal is to bring peace between Americans and Islam?"

Feel free to repeat your point.

[echoone]

Well, I tried.

Do those things make good sun glasses too? Just kidding...

[PicassoCT]

echoone&gota, you forgot those who tautologic claim that every form of opinion is brainwashed and every form of action is evil, and even talking just reveals that. So i have to ask, what is it, that makes a man neutral, is it money, woman? Or just the ability to bash everybody, and be unbashable in return?


How about we draw our swiss army knifes and settle this outside gentleman?

[echoone]

echoone&gota, you forgot those who tautologic claim that every form of opinion is brainwashed and every form of action is evil, and even talking just reveals that. So i have to ask, what is it, that makes a man neutral, is it money, woman? Or just the ability to bash everybody, and be unbashable in return?


How about we draw our swiss army knifes and settle this outside gentleman?

I never made such claims.