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Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 12 Jun 2008, 18:16
by manored
There is no "unary", empty space count as a character. The reason the universe HAS to be binary at its most fundamental level is because logical deduction doesnt allows it to be another thing. lets say that the universe was made of black, white and gray particles winhout empty space. Couldnt you say that the white was 2 white units (subdivide it even more basically), the gray one black and one white and the black 2 black units? no matter how much you increase the number, you will always be able to "code" it in binary.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 12 Jun 2008, 20:25
by Michilus_nimbus
manored wrote:There is no "unary", empty space count as a character. The reason the universe HAS to be binary at its most fundamental level is because logical deduction doesnt allows it to be another thing.
I'm quite sure our logics mean nothing at that scale.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 12 Jun 2008, 20:48
by koshi
manored wrote:The reason the universe HAS to be binary at its most fundamental level is because logical deduction doesnt allows it to be another thing.
i can feel g├â┬Âdel rotating in his grave
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 12 Jun 2008, 21:02
by smoth
FUZZY LOGIC! WHAT NOW!
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 12 Jun 2008, 21:19
by Erom
manored wrote:you will always be able to "code" it in binary
Information theory says that's true, and it's something I can support. How you code something doesn't affect how that thing exists, however. For example - there are 4 bases in genetic code. Just because each can be represented by a two-bit representation doesn't mean there exist two types of "proto-bases" that when mushed together as 00,01,10,and 11 form Adenine and the rest.
When you draw a blueprint of a house, it may be possible to represent that house perfectly, but it doesn't make the house a blueprint.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 12 Jun 2008, 21:19
by Wolf-In-Exile
FUZZY WOOKIE WANT A COOKIE
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 12 Jun 2008, 22:09
by KDR_11k
Yeah, representing something as binary does not mean it is binary. That you can claim that particle 3 is a mixture of particle 1 and 2 doesn't automatically make it so.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 12 Jun 2008, 22:53
by rattle
I'd like to buy an h
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 12 Jun 2008, 23:38
by Michilus_nimbus
I like to believe everything is infinitely complex, so you can't dig to the bottom of it.
Makes us even more puny
Also, you could wonder if it's even possible to understand existence, giving that we exists ourselves.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 00:13
by Panda
Michilus_nimbus wrote:I like to believe everything is infinitely complex, so you can't dig to the bottom of it.
Makes us even more puny
Also, you could wonder if it's even possible to understand existence, giving that we exists ourselves.
Guidelines of some sort are usually helpful to have anyway.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 00:14
by KDR_11k
Michilus_nimbus wrote:Also, you could wonder if it's even possible to understand existence, giving that we exists ourselves.
Do you think that'd be easier if we didn't exist?
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 00:24
by Panda
Michilus_nimbus wrote:Also, you could wonder if it's even possible to understand existence, giving that we exists ourselves.
I am a figment of your imagination. You are not reading this post. It's like an imaginary number.
Save the sea turtles!
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 01:33
by manored
Erom wrote:manored wrote:you will always be able to "code" it in binary
Information theory says that's true, and it's something I can support. How you code something doesn't affect how that thing exists, however. For example - there are 4 bases in genetic code. Just because each can be represented by a two-bit representation doesn't mean there exist two types of "proto-bases" that when mushed together as 00,01,10,and 11 form Adenine and the rest.
When you draw a blueprint of a house, it may be possible to represent that house perfectly, but it doesn't make the house a blueprint.
We logically assume that nothing exists if it was not created, but the universe itself is an exception to that rule. Why would the universe suddently exist with 3, 4 or 5 basic elements? However 2 is the number that makes the greater sense, since its the minimum amount of elements necessary for anything to exist. Due to this I believe that if you have more than 2 left you havent got to the bottom yet, tough I believe there is no "bottom" :)
SwiftSpear is right tough, this teory has no pratical use :) Unleash anyone here needs a new religion and thinks that workshiping a number would be interesting.
As a side comment, I think its funny how you can prove ourself you exist, but cannot prove this to other people. New teory: The universe is made of me and not me :)
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 02:36
by smoth
only an idiot would think the universe i binary.
kill yourself please
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 02:43
by manored
Lol. Now tell me, what proof do you have of that your senses are correct and that what you sense, incluiding that article, are real? It is in this point where the universe is fatally binary. And even in the ilusion we accept because we have no choice called "reality" It would still be possible for it to be binary, we dont even have idea how far "down" stuff can go.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 02:45
by Teutooni
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 03:14
by Panda
Thinking of the universe as being binary seems rather shallow. When people are using binary concepts it's usually for a means of compare and contrast to gather information or a way of making simple decisions.
I think a better, but still overly generalized, description of the universe would be cyclic with layers, like an ellipse. This concept could be used to help determine what is real, manored.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 09:24
by Wolf-In-Exile
manored wrote:Lol. Now tell me, what proof do you have of that your senses are correct and that what you sense, incluiding that article, are real? It is in this point where the universe is fatally binary. And even in the ilusion we accept because we have no choice called "reality" It would still be possible for it to be binary, we dont even have idea how far "down" stuff can go.
If reality is all just an illusion created by your mind, you could click your heels together, say "there's no place like home" and dispel that spectre of your imagination if someone were stomping on your nuts because, you know, its not really happening.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 14:53
by KDR_11k
manored wrote:We logically assume that nothing exists if it was not created, but the universe itself is an exception to that rule. Why would the universe suddently exist with 3, 4 or 5 dimensions? However 2 is the number that makes the greater sense, since its the minimum amount of dimensions necessary for anything to exist.
Re: Teory about the fundamental base of the universe
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 15:02
by REVENGE
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