honestly as far s I was concerned the topic was over with:
[01:46:07 AM] <[]AF> censoring messups doesnt make a forum pretty, it incites low level resentment that resurfaces in the future weeks or months later, and confuses new posters
[01:46:32 AM] <Peet> for fucks sake af, i wasnt trying to censor you
[01:46:43 AM] <[]AF> thats exactly what you did
Of course that wasnt enough. I wasnt hostile before that point, I hadnt seen ought hostile. At that point I had simply reposted something I thought was valid that raised serious points. Peet of a dithering opinion didnt think so and had removed it from the XTA forum, we were both within our rights. Peet doesnt even play XTA anymore, and hasnt joined #xta in a while so I thought he'd leave it at that, and I never intended for my post to be replied to save for discussion on how to avoid it in the future. Its not like I'd tried to offend anyone, rather to vent my annoyance at the issue by making it clear.
So everything was fine and done with, I thought.
So peet kicks me from his channels and adds me to his bots ban list, bans me from the forums.
He gives the following forum rules as justification:
Step 1) Do not post anything that you think another could find personally offensive (within reason, aka no TROLLING, no FLAMING, nothing personally targeting, etc)
I wasnt trolling. I was the first person in the thread so there was nobody to flame, and I wasnt flaming XTA anyway. And I made no remarks or insults to anyone. Those I specifically referenced were namely IvoryKing and myself, of which I regard IvoryKing with the highest respect and wouldnt dare to insult him.
I hold many people within the XTA team with great respect. I know modding takes a lot of time and effort to get right. I thought of elemental gizmo as a friend, to see him attack me here, assuming what I say is directed personally and with a malicious nature is hurtful. But I defended myself out of principle.
Peets reaction is overboard, ignorant and childish. It isnt wise to bear a grudge and I dont want peet to continue banning kicking and muting me over something so trivial. Is this because I dont want to be left out of his channels end of? No, not really, I can enter his channels at will regardless of what hocus pocus he can muster from a bot or chanserv, he should know that by now.
Peet should have explained what he thought was too offensive in his opinion, and snipped it out, rather than abruptly popping up on msn and taking an offensive stance. He shouldnt have started inciting lies in this thread and making personal attacks on me that were based on lies. And he shouldnt have overreacted and tempted to completely shut me out of every facet of spring that he could without intervening into other peoples channels.
Gizmo shouldnt have seen the worst in me and assumed I was attacking XTA. From what peet said in his conversation Gizmo had taken up a similair matter and was censored too.
And as for my suggestions and the outburst on wether I contribute more or less than the XTA devs, I do not think "I am AF therefore you must do as I say", I dont think I've contributed more to XTA than other XTA people, but that doesnt mean I dont have an opinion, and just because I may have an opinion doesnt mean Ill share it either.
But theres a stark difference betwen what I see in XTA and what I see elsewhere.
Lets say I have a small minor idea.
scenario 1:
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I goto #xta and I drop the idea into a message
*nothing, idea is ignored, not even acknowledged*
9 or 10 months later
*idea is brought back up and thrown back at me in a flame*
scenario 2:
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I goto #ca and I drop an idea into a message
if its a good idea its picked up into the discussion and it evolves from there. The end result may not be my idea at all, but all is good.
If its a bad idea, its joked about and discussion carries on as usual. All is good.
So perhaps when your scout mutator idea got shot down gizmo you were dissapointed, but your idea was considered, even fleetingly, mine was dismissed not even acknowledged. For any idea to be acknowledged the person giving it has to have spent an hour each day playing XTA and have worked for a major mod.
I know thats how it generally is, and I knowsome people dont fit that too, there are always exceptions and they know who they are.
Peet Gizmo, I'm not asking for an apology, mainly because I doubt Id ever get one and it would make everything worse. I didnt say anything to offend, and I'm sorry gizmo if it did offend, I have great respect for XTA and its developers, and I think XTA is great, but I dont think its perfect and I do think that there are some pretty horrible mistakes beign made with regards to organisation itself once you get past the creation of the content and balancing.
Peet, what I did after the post was removed was within my rights.
I dont want to fall out, and I wont bear a grudge. I will defend myself if attacked and explain things I've said if people make out I was attacking when I wasnt. I hope that you two would do the same. I'd like to see gizmo back in #xta, and I'd like to see Peet on speaking terms again. There's no need to lock me out, or boycott channels. I havent banned either of you from any of my channels, muted any of you, blocked your accounts on any of the websites I run or help with, I've just explained what I've said in this thread and corrected your misudnerstandings in order to defend myself.