REAL war protest
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1v0ry_k1ng
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capitalism>communism
communism dosnt work. the human factor borked it.
capitalism works as long as there is inflation and expansion.
dictatorships work but there is a constant risk of rebellion.
democracy works but it takes an age to get anything done because everything is discussed to death by idiot. FIN.
communism dosnt work. the human factor borked it.
capitalism works as long as there is inflation and expansion.
dictatorships work but there is a constant risk of rebellion.
democracy works but it takes an age to get anything done because everything is discussed to death by idiot. FIN.
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LathanStanley
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LathanStanley
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I understan rattle, I'm not arguing either..
just well, I hate when people run around all "high and mighty" with an attitude like his, and frankly, even if I didn't know it was him, I'd prolly still knock him out just for being a douche. and if he DID protest in the manner he speaks of, if I don't kill him myself, I'll gladly sit on the jury and push for the death penalty.
to bomb your own armed forces is not a show of power, or desire, or protesting, or promoting communism.. or whatever..
its simply... TREASON.
and frankly, to be a traitor to ones country, to family, to mankind... is the worst sin of all... and me taking an action as I stated, is rightous.
just well, I hate when people run around all "high and mighty" with an attitude like his, and frankly, even if I didn't know it was him, I'd prolly still knock him out just for being a douche. and if he DID protest in the manner he speaks of, if I don't kill him myself, I'll gladly sit on the jury and push for the death penalty.
to bomb your own armed forces is not a show of power, or desire, or protesting, or promoting communism.. or whatever..
its simply... TREASON.
and frankly, to be a traitor to ones country, to family, to mankind... is the worst sin of all... and me taking an action as I stated, is rightous.
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SpikedHelmet
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So far I have seen absolutely nothing more than incredibly ignorant statements like "capitalism>communism" with absolutely no elaboration.
And Stanley, please, are you 13? AGAIN talking about how you'd punch me in the face, and now talking about killing me? Can you seriously be any more imature? It's not a rhetorical question. I'm asking you seriously. CAN you be more imature?
The shit has officially continued. Please be gone. TY.
Anyway, like I said. I haven't seen a single arguement outside of "well communism won't work because, uh.. its WRONG!" Surely there is ONE person here who can come up with a credible analysis of society to back up their claim that communism is not a viable solution?
And Stanley, please, are you 13? AGAIN talking about how you'd punch me in the face, and now talking about killing me? Can you seriously be any more imature? It's not a rhetorical question. I'm asking you seriously. CAN you be more imature?
The shit has officially continued. Please be gone. TY.
Anyway, like I said. I haven't seen a single arguement outside of "well communism won't work because, uh.. its WRONG!" Surely there is ONE person here who can come up with a credible analysis of society to back up their claim that communism is not a viable solution?
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SwiftSpear
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Animal farm doesn't accurately represent comunism, and 1984 is about fascist society, not communist society. I agree with MrNub and Spiked in that there is MASSIVE problems with the capitalist system in it's current form and that it can't maintain our society indefinitely. But I understand that cutting and running is just backwards progress.
Lets see, reasons why communism wont work... hrm maybe because it hasnt, and doesnt, and isnt..
Since no country is actually communist, and no one is currently attempting to achieve it actively, and that essentially its based on a flawed concept.. and that lets see this utopian everyone for everyone society you describe has never existed anywhere ever.. That leads me to believe communism as you describe it doesnt work..
If this Ideal that you describe which you heap much accalaim on was actually as good or as achievable as you suggest, I suspect wed see it cropping up in a lot more than 0 places.. but alas, because of its Idealic nature, it only functions on paper and never can be translated properly to real life..
Who wants to move on, or in other words, mr spiked helmet how about instead of asking us to disprove you, you disprove us, how exactly is the current system oppressing us.. Id like some hard examples with names, not generalist statements you "communists" are so fond of.. the upper class rich people oppressing me doesnt really tell me much, id like names, and places, and examples, and dates, and so forth..
Since no country is actually communist, and no one is currently attempting to achieve it actively, and that essentially its based on a flawed concept.. and that lets see this utopian everyone for everyone society you describe has never existed anywhere ever.. That leads me to believe communism as you describe it doesnt work..
If this Ideal that you describe which you heap much accalaim on was actually as good or as achievable as you suggest, I suspect wed see it cropping up in a lot more than 0 places.. but alas, because of its Idealic nature, it only functions on paper and never can be translated properly to real life..
Who wants to move on, or in other words, mr spiked helmet how about instead of asking us to disprove you, you disprove us, how exactly is the current system oppressing us.. Id like some hard examples with names, not generalist statements you "communists" are so fond of.. the upper class rich people oppressing me doesnt really tell me much, id like names, and places, and examples, and dates, and so forth..
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SpikedHelmet
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Check up on your world knowledge son. Currently there are atleast two dozen communist wars going on, the largest ones in Nepal, the Phillipines, Colombia, and India.and no one is currently attempting to achieve it actively
Fanger, I can not explain to you how and why you are being "oppressed" anywhere near as well as those books I've pointed out. You can even find them online, completely free to read:
Principles of Communism
http://marx.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
Communist Manifesto
http://marx.org/archive/marx/works/1848 ... /index.htm
Wage-Labor and Capital
http://marx.org/archive/marx/works/1847 ... /index.htm
Socialism: Utopian and Scientific
http://marx.org/archive/marx/works/1880 ... /index.htm
I can't disprove you unless you actually take the effort to read and learn and examine. Otherwise, I might as well be trying to argue with a plant. At the very least read Principles of Communism and the Manifesto.
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SwiftSpear
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That Kibbutz link you gave is a really bad example. Sure, they might have started of as communist, but to quote the article: "While the kibbutzim lasted for several generations as utopian communities, most of today's kibbutzim are scarcely different from the capitalist enterprises and regular towns to which the kibbutzim were originally supposed to be alternatives."
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Wolf-In-Exile
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My my, grandiose assumptions? So, you basically assumed that I made an assumption? How ironic.Quite frankly you have only ourself to blame for making
grandiose assumptions of me based on a single fucking internet post.
You never bothered asking about the intricacies of my beliefs or
anything of the sort. Rather, you judged me, as you probably do
everyone else, based on woefully inadequate information.
I suggest you re-read your own post again. And several hundred times more if you still don't get it.
Right from the horse's mouth, in the FIRST POST:
So, does this statement say "KILL THE SOLDIERS IF YOU WANT TO PROTEST THE WAR!", or does it say,If you really want to protest the war, you should launch a
mortar attack against the nearest military base, or snipe military
personelle with a hunting rifle, or set an explosive along a road
frequented by military vehicles and bomb a convoy, toss a bottle of
burning gasoline into a recruiting center. That is protesting a war.
?I've never misdirected any hate at soldiers.
.......For the most part, military personelle are innocents who are simply following orders, and have been molded to do so without question. I don't blame every German soldier for what the Nazi's did.
Congratulations, you've just contradicted yourself and proved yourself a hypocrite.
O woe is me, nobody understands me!You never bothered asking about the intricacies of my beliefs
or anything of the sort.
Please.
I can and I have made a judgement of you based on a single
post, because in this case what you say represents what you believe.
Unless you really don't believe what you say, is that it? Or you believed it when you said it, but conveniently changed your mind when I called you out?
And you aren't innocent of judging another person based on "woefully
inadequate information" either, so spare me your "i'm so misunderstood" theatrics.
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Lindir The Green
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"In theory, communism works."
But in actuality, it really doen't work. And I can prove it by the fact that the communist countries back in the day had horrible economies, and then collapsed. Well, except for China, which switched to a different communist regime that started moving towards a free market system to improve its economy. And of course North Korea... which is propped up by China, cos they don't want starving North Korean refugees going across the border.
The problem with communism is that it goes against evolution and human nature. People like having as much control over their lives as possible, and communism takes away their control and gives it to the government. And people have NO natural predisposition to work hard just for the good of their government, which makes the overal output of a communist country lower than that of a capitalist country, hence the crappy economy.
A free market system also is much more efficient, because instead of the government deciding what people should do, the people decide what they should do. And the wonderful system of supply and demand ensures that everyone will always try to provide the good or service that there is the most demand for. In a capitalist country, there is less need of a huge government of people who regulate everything, so then those people can actually work, and the GDP increases.
Also, while communism is good for the poor, uneducated, unskilled, or just lazy, it is bad for everyone else. Which causes the entreprenuers, engineers, scientists, doctors, and skilled people to leave those communist countries for places like the US where they can make a lot of money, and the poor, uneducated, unskilled, and lazy to travel to those communist countries. Which hurts the communist countries, and further wrecks their economy.
But, whatever, I don't need to convince anyone. Because America and probably at least most of Europe will always be free market. Or Scandanavian socialism, which has been proven to work very well.
But in actuality, it really doen't work. And I can prove it by the fact that the communist countries back in the day had horrible economies, and then collapsed. Well, except for China, which switched to a different communist regime that started moving towards a free market system to improve its economy. And of course North Korea... which is propped up by China, cos they don't want starving North Korean refugees going across the border.
The problem with communism is that it goes against evolution and human nature. People like having as much control over their lives as possible, and communism takes away their control and gives it to the government. And people have NO natural predisposition to work hard just for the good of their government, which makes the overal output of a communist country lower than that of a capitalist country, hence the crappy economy.
A free market system also is much more efficient, because instead of the government deciding what people should do, the people decide what they should do. And the wonderful system of supply and demand ensures that everyone will always try to provide the good or service that there is the most demand for. In a capitalist country, there is less need of a huge government of people who regulate everything, so then those people can actually work, and the GDP increases.
Also, while communism is good for the poor, uneducated, unskilled, or just lazy, it is bad for everyone else. Which causes the entreprenuers, engineers, scientists, doctors, and skilled people to leave those communist countries for places like the US where they can make a lot of money, and the poor, uneducated, unskilled, and lazy to travel to those communist countries. Which hurts the communist countries, and further wrecks their economy.
But, whatever, I don't need to convince anyone. Because America and probably at least most of Europe will always be free market. Or Scandanavian socialism, which has been proven to work very well.