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Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 14:07**

BaNa wrote:human cost is HUGE, training costs for ppl

Training costs for people are not huge at all, the finnish eu readiness batallion compromised of 300 troops drains almost as much cash as training the 25.000 or so conscripts a year.

zwzsg wrote: disagree. Maybe today a missile is more expensive than an guy, but ultimately, missiles will become cheaper, while guys still require expensive raising and maintenance.

Untrue

With all the electronics inside the missiles/bombs , and with all the counter measures the missiles will need even more electronics and counter-counter measures.

For example a modern combat tank(t-90 in this case) has several electronic systems, such as gas tanks of aerosol which disturb laser tracking to the target (deployed automatically by a onboard computer) , then there's a system that actively tries to send false radio orders to guided bombs to distrack them. On top of that you have the era(explosive reactive armor) that tries to negate the incoming damage by exploding the missile outside the armor, if all that fails there's several layers of armor to penetrate. And on top of that even if the crew of the tank is knocked down the onboard computer has a system(unless its destroyed in the hit too) that will show and track the location where the missile was fired, and will spray that area with rounds for a while.

Getting past all these defensive systems will only make the missiles more expensive and more extensive like you said requiring even more training

Examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakidka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtora
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_warning_receiver
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontakt-5

dizekat wrote:ever seen how humans move on battlefield, trying to keep low? Bipedal form is very sub optimal for warfare.

eugh . . .

Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 14:42**

Oo...
In few tens of years youll probably have fully automated war machines on ground with perhaps semi automatic air drones and fighters being pushed out in effecient fully automated factories.XD so cool to write this.
Humans will be pushed back to only making more strategic general descisions.
The biggest advantage for a democracy in automated war machines is that its only about economic cost there is much less demotivation as a result of casulties.

Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 15:26**

the most "expensive" about human soldiers is probally the shitstorm their deathtoll causes in the news.

Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 15:45**

I cant find a good source but i recall that 1 fighting year + training for a us soldier ended up around 500.000$ total (that includes the healthcare and pension crap)

Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 15:50**

BaNa wrote:I cant find a good source but i recall that 1 fighting year + training for a us soldier ended up around 500.000$ total (that includes the healthcare and pension crap)

you take a zero off and you might be somewhere near the truth

Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 15:52**

Sleksa wrote:
BaNa wrote:I cant find a good source but i recall that 1 fighting year + training for a us soldier ended up around 500.000$ total (that includes the healthcare and pension crap)
you take a zero off and you might be somewhere near the truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_b ... ted_States

personnel cost is 2nd greatest

Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 16:50**

hoijui wrote:in reality, warfare today (and likely in the future even more) is not like BALANCED annihilation (as you picture it), but like Collateral Murder. which war today is not apache vs AK47, or AK47 vs stones, air superiority + tanks vs AK47, ... ?
Has there been a war with high-tech vs high-tech since WW2?
it seems to me like you are living in a dream world.
*nock, nock*

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exactly.

Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 16:59**

Sleksa wrote:
BaNa wrote:I cant find a good source but i recall that 1 fighting year + training for a us soldier ended up around 500.000$ total (that includes the healthcare and pension crap)
you take a zero off and you might be somewhere near the truth

I heard that toilet seat for US soldier costs around 700$...

Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 20:44**

dizekat wrote:
Sleksa wrote:
BaNa wrote:I cant find a good source but i recall that 1 fighting year + training for a us soldier ended up around 500.000$ total (that includes the healthcare and pension crap)
you take a zero off and you might be somewhere near the truth
I heard that toilet seat for US soldier costs around 700$...

isnt that how they sponsor supersecret projects?

Posted: **15 Dec 2010, 20:49**

Yes this is how we maintain our stargates. I don't really know what the future of war will be like. Probably still bloody and awful.

Posted: **16 Dec 2010, 15:23**

haemorrhoids for 800 $ ?

Posted: **17 Dec 2010, 00:15**

oksnoop2 wrote:Yes this is how we maintain our stargates. I don't really know what the future of war will be like. Probably still bloody and awful.

i kno, they will let homos in. and there will be love, not war.

Posted: **17 Dec 2010, 12:20**

Wait... this was the minecraft thread i got splitted off a month ago, and now what we have here... no moderation splitting these offtopic messages... good job.

Well, here i am again, now moderators have attention on this thread too! POO. hihi

Posted: **17 Dec 2010, 13:11**

Wombat wrote:
oksnoop2 wrote:Yes this is how we maintain our stargates. I don't really know what the future of war will be like. Probably still bloody and awful.
i kno, they will let homos in. and there will be love, not war.

At my armytime, we had ongoing jokes about the tank-troops (3 guys, cuddled close together in a tank, thats got to be hot) and the airforce (if you shower on a airforce base, beware of the supersonice booms. The first is the door with a pilot on speed, the second is the door, with a pilot on speed leaving, and the third in between is your ass getting banged) :)

Srsly, we had some gays in the army (i presume) and they got along just like everybody else, non of them campy, the real problem entered with woman, who entered the army for office jobs and wanted to get carried on the hands of there fellow recoons. God how i hated those princesses, we had a really cool female soldier in the medical unit (armed and tough) and she had a hobby of not-helping those camo-princesses (no sickbay, its just a scratch/learn to use a compass/ andsoon...)

Was hellirious

Posted: **17 Dec 2010, 13:31**

Posted: **17 Dec 2010, 13:49**

PicassoCT wrote:Srsly, we had some gays in the army (i presume) and they got along just like everybody else, non of them campy, the real problem entered with woman, who entered the army for office jobs and wanted to get carried on the hands of there fellow recoons. God how i hated those princesses, we had a really cool female soldier in the medical unit (armed and tough) and she had a hobby of not-helping those camo-princesses (no sickbay, its just a scratch/learn to use a compass/ andsoon...)

Was hellirious

I recently read some news where some higher rank army guy tried to touch some lower rank army guys in that area. Damn creepy.

I didnt notice any gays in the army... everyone looked normal, except that when you go to shower, everyone is looking everyones dicks there and comparing which one is better... dunno is that normal among men, or were they all gay then...

Posted: **17 Dec 2010, 15:31**

I have always wondered why they don't come up with RL aimbots (or maybe they have, I wouldn't know...). I mean cheap weapon systems traditionally ineffective, but with precise aiming algorithms could take out anything not sufficiently armored, like missiles, vehicle sensors, unarmored necks of troops, etc. Software is cheap to replicate, and the needed sensory/motory equipment price is coming down for sure (kinect?

). Leave a remote controlled sniper sentry on some rooftop, paint targets for it, open fire - I'td calculate the most efficient aiming path and eliminate all designated targets in a short burst, byebye troops.

Posted: **17 Dec 2010, 15:36**

Note to yourself, were there ever any guys always absent/late for shower?

Voila.

I know its tough to imagine, but those guys might just join the army, because they like joining the army, not because they want to bone every homophob hetero in the shower. Is it so hard to imagine somebody really just wants to defend/serve his country (Politics dont matter for one, moment)?

Its like you joining the lifeguard, because you wont to chat up beautifull girls. It works in the movie of your mind, in reality people will drown while you dont do your duty. What you do have to like is swimming.

Posted: **18 Dec 2010, 23:21**

minecraft --> army costs --> homos

only @ spring forum :D

anyway, i was always wondering why homos are forbidden in army ? only reason ive heard were morale, but, cmon ? they increase happyness in army, more ppl to bully. same tattoos on hidden parts of the body, i understand eagle all over ur face, but 'mommy' on ur butt ? pfff. then they whine at lack of troops...

@thread, minecraft is getting bit boring and spring still sux.

kkthxbai

Posted: **19 Dec 2010, 00:02**

Wombat wrote: minecraft is boring
kkthxbai

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