Energy conservation hysteria

[Forboding Angel]

What's the point of high school? Or school in general? Basically just something for ivory tower liberals to lord over Real Americans, amirite Forboding?

You gotta try harder than that

[Caydr]

It comforts me to think I'm a genius that just chose to ignore it.
I know that if i wanted to i could be something special and amazing but its so passe,instead,I prefer to just explain that whenever someone or just life itself questions my abilities.

No, sorry, that just makes you a stock anime character.

[PicassoCT]

I dont know how to define gifted, me i always was a lazy ass at school (except history, art and social sience) and i got through without lifting a finger, after i stopped at fifth schoolyear the silly attempts to impress my parents with good grades. Dont know if you can call that a gift.

On the other hand, i usually dont get along with people irl, if i hang out with the handfull people who know me, i can be quite twofaced, one day beeing a depressing funspoiler, taking everyone down, the next day heart&soul of the table, running a evening like a showmaster (sometimes into disaster :) ).

So take various skillz - unreliable social skillz and you get a very talented road cleaner - the last time i checked IQ-Sciences, they tried to break it down into several diffrent Sub-IQs and im pretty sure that i would score lousy on patience-IQ or a problem-solving-IQ like Forb has it (a Stub-born De-buger he always was

Lucky for everybody of us, the human mind (some females make a expectation here, longing always for bigger and better things ) is always quite happy were it gets stuck, so i wont complain until serious shit comes down the pipe.

[SinbadEV]

The purpose of the gifted stream is to teach kids who would otherwise flounder and start acting out due to lack of challenge be provided with a learning style that's more suited to their brains.

[PicassoCT]

Problem is that nearly every parent on this planet thinks his child is gifted, everybody else just doesnt recognise barts full potential.

[Caydr]

So I believe we've determined what keeps people active at the Spring forum: nobody else will tolerate us. Especially Smoth.

[SinbadEV]

So, to review:

The Energy crisis is caused over-population which in turn is caused by stupid people who are afraid of Nuclear power breeding. And unfortunately our societies have yet to find a way to get geniuses raised in a such a socially adjusted manner that they can move into the leadership roles needed to resolve the situation while our education system continues to segregate us based on false methods of determining intellectual ability which serves to the distrust our societies continue to have towards "Smart People" and in turn perceived "sciency" things like Nuclear power. In addition it is entirely possible that smart people breeding with smart people produce super-socially awkward people and as such the best solution would be to have smart people breed with healthy unintelligent people but the fear the unintelligent have of the intelligent cause this situation to be rare.

Also, we're all mad here... and some of us live in canada and have wives and children... Gota tried to troll and failed to trip up anyone but Forb.

[Forboding Angel]

...Forb has it (a Stub-born De-buger he always was ...

It's a personality trait. Learn to love it Besides, when I'm wrong I readily admit it, so don't paint me in too harsh of a light there.

And yes, nuclear power makes a lot of sense. We conservatives have been arguing for it for decades, but liberals are 100% against it. Other than fossil fuels, it's not like we have anything else that works worth a crap to provide THAT much energy.

inb4solarpoweredhomes, inflating the cost of houses by millions of dollars since 1995. The funny thing is that solar powered homes will never pay off their initial cost.

[SinbadEV]

New solar technologies are leading to the level of efficiency where it will cost less energy to build and install the solar energy accumulators than they will collect in their lifetimes. I'm still convinced Solar is the way to go in the long run.

My theory is that there is an oil company conspiracy trying to hold back the advancements.

[Forboding Angel]

New solar technologies are leading to the level of efficiency where it will cost less energy to build and install the solar energy accumulators than they will collect in their lifetimes. I'm still convinced Solar is the way to go in the long run.

My theory is that there is an oil company conspiracy trying to hold back the advancements.

The cost of building the homes, outlasts the home's (not to mention the solar panel's lifetimes.

Imagine it costs a million bucks to build solar panels into your home to where they can power everything. Now, an electricity bill will generally be 50 or 60 bucks a month (maybe up to a hundred for some people).

At that cost, the solar panels will make up theirs in 1,388.88 years. Not efficient. At 100 bucks per month it would still take 833.33 years to make up it's cost.

Article related: http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-impr ... ion418.htm

Long story short, yeah it's a good idea, but atm it simply is too expensive to be seriously considered.

[Pxtl]

Also depends where you live. Vancouver? Waste of money. Texas? Go for it.

[CarRepairer]

There's a company in California that's installing solar panels for you free. You lease the system and pay as you go and save money right away. There would be lots of questions to ask them, but it's a good start.

Found it: http://www.solarcity.com/campaigns/ca/1 ... urce=email

[Forboding Angel]

Hmm, I wonder what the catch is? I'll have to look into that. I've said for well over 10 years that solar powered homes is an awesome idea, but when I first saw it implemented I finally realized how prohibitively expensive they were which kinda took the wind outta the sails on that one.

However, all this is jsut a band aid. For solar power to really be effective it's cost is going to have to come down to "Dirt Cheap" for it to truly be a viable option.

Also remember that you need batteries and capacitors (BIG ONES) for it to work out well, and that shit is ridiculously expensive as well.

[Master-Athmos]

When talking about solar cells and them being more "ecological" always remember that it takes HUGE amounts of energy to construct those. Unless you're not living in pretty "sunny" areas they even might not produce the energy needed for their construction & transport in their average lifetime...

That part often gets missed. I'm not trying to say that solar is a waste though but some people should start to think before putting some solar stuff on their roofs and that it might not be as "green" as one might think...

[JohannesH]

If getting your electricity from solar panels on your roof was cost-effective right now - why would we even need to discuss other options at all.

Just needs more research into that technology... Compare to how much resources is spent on nuclear power, oil, gas research in comparison research on solar technology, its next to nothing. But then its not something big energy companies would want to invest in, since they naturally prefer to sell the endproduct, electricity rather than solarpanels.

Then you can look at any newer nuclear plant in construction, and see how costeffective they turned out to be after all the technical issues :/

[SinbadEV]

according to the Wikipedia article on the subject the majority of the current market cells are under 20% efficiency but research has demonstrated over 40% efficiency... in addition in the "who killed the electric car" they showed this guy who had figured out a way to extrude photo-voltaic plastic sheets and I read an article in popular science about printing or painting photo-voltaic in ink on surfaces...

I would expect that, barring high costs for rare materials, technology has probably already caught up to the energy-cost/collected energy equation, it's just that the patents are tied up in the wrong places and manufacturing won't reach a reasonable level of efficiency unless the market increases...

In my mind, there is really no reason from a materials and manufacturing cost perspective not to expect more like a $10,000 price tag on a household solar array with enough power to exceed that homes needs during the day enough to store said energy for use over-night... if not today then within the next 10 years.

[Caydr]

Note please, that while I appreciate people following my advice (and, indeed, demand it), suicide pacts all the moreso, I do not endorse baby-killing. Please do not kill your babies, as they have not yet been able to make an informed decision on whether or not they want to be a part of your (perfectly valid and reasonable) pact. Thank you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -pact.html

Now, if you have a legitimate reason to kill your baby, like he appears to possess the "evil eye" or is inconveniencing your lifestyle, by all means do the world a favor. But not over global warming.

[AF]

o_0

and in Argentina too

[Caydr]

The overwhelming demand for Caydr's advice cannot be confined by national borders.