Recomended graphic card

Aun · Post by **Aun** » 08 Jan 2006, 17:05

mikedep333 wrote:If you plan on doing water maps, using shiny unit packs, or anything else that uses shaders, get a Geforce 6 series card (or 7). They are much much more efficient than the FX's at doing shaders. I found a 6600GT for $100 USD and am very happy with it. If you're on a budget, go for a 6600, it still is much faster than a 6200.

And at least for the US, the best prices on graphics cards are online or in stores with rebate deals. Normally physical stores rip you off.

I saw a 6200 for ├é┬ú110 ($194.75) last week! It was at PC World surprisingly...

Masse · Post by **Masse** » 08 Jan 2006, 17:10

well uk has the most expensive pc stuff

Weaver · Post by **Weaver** » 08 Jan 2006, 17:16

├é┬ú110 !

How about ├é┬ú46.92 inc VAT?
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products ... _uid=98310

Dwarden · Post by **Dwarden** » 08 Jan 2006, 18:24

i suggest You wait till end of this month for new ATI and NVIDIA cards to appear ... that will show hi perfomance range and kick soon into balls prices of older cards ...

malric · Post by **malric** » 08 Jan 2006, 21:18

Here the 6200 is around 120$ and 6600 are above 150$. Unlucky me.

And what I observed is that all the cards on PCIe are cheaper than the AGP versions. I guess they want to convince people to switch.

FLOZi · Post by **FLOZi** » 09 Jan 2006, 00:24

Aun wrote:
mikedep333 wrote:If you plan on doing water maps, using shiny unit packs, or anything else that uses shaders, get a Geforce 6 series card (or 7). They are much much more efficient than the FX's at doing shaders. I found a 6600GT for $100 USD and am very happy with it. If you're on a budget, go for a 6600, it still is much faster than a 6200.

And at least for the US, the best prices on graphics cards are online or in stores with rebate deals. Normally physical stores rip you off.
I saw a 6200 for ├é┬ú110 ($194.75) last week! It was at PC World surprisingly...

I got a PCI-e 6600GT for about ├é┬ú100 from ebuyer 6 months ago...

PC world are a complete rip off.

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 09 Jan 2006, 10:18

malric wrote:... Nvidia graphic card ... for Linux ...

My laptop has a GeForce FX Go 5700 with 64 MBs of RAM. In Linux it runs Spring well as almost everything else. I get peaks of 700 fps in UT but it kind of shits itself in Quake 4.

Nvidia Linux drivers don't show as much grafical quality as the Windows ones but you'll have very good performance on your card and, sometimes, benchmarks even show slightly better performance over the Windows drivers.

As a general rule of hardware, the cheaper you buy it, the better will be the ratio of money spent per performace gained.
But only to a degree, as really low end stuff tends to not cost less enough.

Without making any kind of math, going only for instinct, i would say a FX 5500 is probably one of the best choices for who want a gfx card for Linux with the best performance for it's cost.
Although, maybe, something a little better wouldn't be bad. I would wait for the standard 6600 to be around 80~120├óÔÇÜ┬¼. Which would also bring you closer to the release of Supreme Commander...

[EDIT]
Ho, look:
http://aveiciber.com/index.php?lista=pr ... faba1d143c
Asus NX6600 256DDR Silencer TD - PCI-E
134.50 ├óÔÇÜ┬¼
And it's not an LE or MX or some sheet like that. That gets, i think, some 60 Fps in Quake 4 in Ultra Quality.

mikedep333 · Post by **mikedep333** » 10 Jan 2006, 10:45

Dwarden wrote:i suggest You wait till end of this month for new ATI and NVIDIA cards to appear ... that will show hi perfomance range and kick soon into balls prices of older cards ...

Drawden, the new ati cards are already out. The x1300 series and the x1600 have been out and in volume for a month or so.
Nvidia has however lowered the cost of their old mid range cards, the 6600 series, to that of low end cards (around and above $100) and their old old high end cards, the 6800 series, to that of mid range cards (about $200).

The ati cards are however not for AGP. The AGP versions of the GF6 series are often more expensive because they have to be bridged from PCIe to AGP.

Other people:
If you can not find the cards for the prices they should be at, you are probably not looking hard enough online. For American websites we have pricegrabber.com to compare prices across dozens of tech online stores for any model card. I'm sure you europeans have something like that too, if not a european version of pricegrabber itself.

mikedep333 · Post by **mikedep333** » 10 Jan 2006, 10:46

accidental double post

genblood · Post by **genblood** » 10 Jan 2006, 11:20

The major problem I see in the video card area is ... TOO MANY ...
Every 6 months theirs a new card from ATI or Nvidia being
released ... Then you have the other small players too ...
The ATi has the new MB with crossfire support out now ..
You have the ATi X850XT with crossfire support, the X1800 LT,
the X 1300 XTX, the X 1600 series and the newer version of
the ATi X1800 series ...

Then you have 4 or 6 cards from Nvidia land ...

I hear at the end of Jan ... ATi is releasing the RD580 ...STUFF ..
The new MB chipset and the new X1900 cards ....

I'm planning on a new system ... an I want the new RD580 chipset
on the mother board and 2 X1900 cards ... got to have the new
AMD X2 CPU too ,,, the newer HDs and the rest of the stuff too ..

I figure a full tower ... can hold all the stuff I want ...
with LOTS of cooling fans

genblood · Post by **genblood** » 10 Jan 2006, 11:21

The major problem I see in the video card area is ... TOO MANY ...
Every 6 months theirs a new card from ATI or Nvidia being
released ... Then you have the other small players too ...
The ATi has the new MB with crossfire support out now ..
You have the ATi X850XT with crossfire support, the X1800 LT,
the X 1300 XTX, the X 1600 series and the newer version of
the ATi X1800 series ...

Then you have 4 or 6 cards from Nvidia land ...

I hear at the end of Jan ... ATi is releasing the RD580 ...STUFF ..
The new MB chipset and the new X1900 cards ....

I'm planning on a new system ... an I want the new RD580 chipset
on the mother board and 2 X1900 cards ... got to have the new
AMD X2 CPU too ,,, the newer HDs and the rest of the stuff too ..

I figure a full tower ... can hold all the stuff I want ...
with LOTS of cooling fans

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 10 Jan 2006, 14:56

Such a noob.. or atleast by the way you spewed that out you sound it.

Why on earth would you put 2 x1900s in a new PC when you could put a few New 7900GTX's in?? (thats the latest nvida card, hopefully it will be out soon...)

BTW, if you go for an AMD X2, make sure you get one with the 1 meg cache, not the 512 (even though some 512's are rated higher). You can always overclock the clock speed, but you can't materaise more cache.

I was thinking of a new system to soon, but i'll wait till the new graphics cards, mobos, and possible hold out for DDR2 (on an AMD box that is). Meanwhile I'll just get a new monitor.

Hummm, im sounding liek a fan boy now...

aGorm

genblood · Post by **genblood** » 10 Jan 2006, 22:33

Looks like too much coffee or not the right blend ...

Too MANY clicking ...

I prefer ATI over Nvidia for Windows systems and Nvidia cards
for linux ... I figure a dual graphics card system ... is in the
cards ... with a AMD X2 4800+ ...

mikedep333 · Post by **mikedep333** » 10 Jan 2006, 22:44

accidental double post.

AF · Post by AF » 10 Jan 2006, 22:47

Why are there 3/4 identical posts here?

mikedep333 · Post by **mikedep333** » 11 Jan 2006, 00:29

AF wrote:Why are there 3/4 identical posts here?

The forum was telling us our posts couldn't be entered when they were entered.

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 11 Jan 2006, 01:30

Are you really sure (I don't watch the market too closely) ? For about a year now the price are the same where I live. A GForce FX 5200 costs the same now as it did in autumn 2004. (and that is tooo much for what it is now)

And I think it's not in the interest of manufacturers to drop prices to much... but then again maybe I don't watch the market closely.

Very sure. Overhyped or not, Playstation 3 (and to a much lesser extent X360) makes even the fastest hardware you can get today look slow. Sometime just before or just after PS3 is launched, all current cards will surely drop in price dramatically as ATI and Nvidia unveil their secret weapons.

See, all the cards they're releasing right now are little more than prototypes that turned out fairly well. Neither ATI nor Nvidia can stand a stagnant market, they need to make enough capital to continue R&D. What we're seeing right now, think of as the GeForce FX - it was clearly a hyped up work-in-progress to give them enough cash to complete development on their REAL big gun - the GeForce 6 line. Ever since GF6, ATI's been playing catch-up, just barely keeping their cards on par or slightly ahead of the Nvidia counterparts. We see minor improvements - 5% here, 5% there... just like the FX was compared to some of the faster GeForce 4 cards.

PauloMorfeo · Post by **PauloMorfeo** » 11 Jan 2006, 04:36

genblood wrote:...
with LOTS of cooling fans

That is alot more fun before you actually have all of them making noise at home...

Chocapic · Post by **Chocapic** » 11 Jan 2006, 04:49

-> noiseless fans

munch · Post by **munch** » 11 Jan 2006, 23:26

OK I'm out of touch and as it happens have been thinking about getting a cheapish graphics card with some Christmas money, so this thread is pretty excellent from my point of view - thanks guys =)

Whilst shopping around on the internet for the various NVidia cards that have been mentioned in this thread, I've noticed that the ATi cards tend to have much more on-board RAM per ├é┬ú/├óÔÇÜ┬¼/$/├é┬Ñ e.g. for just ├é┬ú29 you can get a 256MB ATi card from play.com: ATI Radeon 9250 256MB

I note that it doesn't have DirectX 9 support though (or is that fixable with the latest drivers?), but these three cards (├é┬ú35, ├é┬ú45 and ├é┬ú50) claim they do:
ATI Radeon 9250 256MB Sapphire
ATI Radeon 9550 256MB
ATI Radeon 9550 256MB Sapphire

Thing is, I quite like buying from play.com cause there's no VAT or postage to pay, but they don't have any budget NVidia cards, so I'm interested to know if the ATi cards are worth getting or not. Specifically does anybody know how they perform in TA Spring terms, and also what benefit do get with all that extra video memory anyway??? (apart from allow silly screen resolutions)

Another the obvious question is, how do ATi model numbers relate to NVidia model numbers?

I.e. for each of 5200, 5500, 6200 and 6600, discussed in this thread, what is the equivalent ATi card? My most likely NVidia option at present is the 6200 as there seem to be plenty of those available at well under ├é┬ú50.

Of course I may just not bother seeing as I don't get time to play TA these days, so don't bust a gut answering this!

Thanks in advance for any feedback though =)

Cheers

Munch

PS Whilst we're at it, what's the difference between the 6200 and 6200A chipsets? I notice that sometimes the 6200A is cheaper and othertimes more expensive. In particular this card looks great value for money to me - what do you think? (manufacturer's page here)
EDIT -> OK I stopped being lazy and googled for the last question: answers here and here

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