Curious

[Jazcash]

The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. 21 The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. 22 The LORD will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish. 23 The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron. 24 The LORD will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.

25 The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. 26 Your carcasses will be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and there will be no one to frighten them away. 27 The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. 28 The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind.
Deuteronomy 28: 20-28

You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you. 54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating.
Deuteronomy 28: 53-56


God is telling us to eat our own children; of course he is a kind, loving, infinitely compassionate, caring saviour

See earlier posts about you not being able to read.

http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... 52#p432352

I still don't see any New Testament quotes from anybody either...

[TradeMark]

Why can he not create evolution?

I want to hear jaz's answer to this too

[momfreeek]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton
Newton was also highly religious, though an unorthodox Christian

His scientific fame notwithstanding, Newton's studies of the Bible and of the early Church Fathers were also noteworthy. Newton wrote works on textual criticism, most notably An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture. He also placed the crucifixion of Jesus Christ at 3 April, AD 33, which agrees with one traditionally accepted date.

Darwin, it seems was wracked by doubt, yes.

[Sucky_Lord]

Jaz, your argument is totally invalid, because God IS Jesus.

What, did God and his infinite power not realise that eating children is wrong?

Did God and his infinite knowledge make a mistake?

Did God realise he made a mistake and send himself down to rectify his fuck-up?

What is the difference between Jesus coming down here, and God being here? (He is omnipresent after all)

I really dont see what you're getting at. I doubt God didnt see anything wrong with eating children then, but an infinitesimally small amount of time later, did decide it was wrong.

[Jazcash]

Jaz, your argument is totally invalid, because God IS Jesus.

Read up on the trinity.

Edit: I just checked out these verses you probably found off Google and they're taken out of context again. It's no good nitpicking quotes if you're not going to give the background behind them.

Also please read Forb's posts on the Old Testament and Leviticus and Deuteronomy, I agree with what he says about them so it saves me from writing a whole bunch of replies to your each and every quote.

Why can he not create evolution?

I want to hear jaz's answer to this too

He can. That doesn't mean he did. Read the first page or two of Genesis. (First few pages of the Bible )

[momfreeek]

Believing what a priest/minister says about the origin of things over what someone who has given his life to study such things says is ridiculous.

Many Christian's also give their whole lives to study why they believe what they believe.

But all they can study is the bible. And you are claiming that what they learn from reading the bible discounts what is learnt from studying the world that god created. Clearly it is the bible that is fallible (put to paper by man hands, translated who knows how many times) not the fucking real world (that god created with his own hands)!

[Jazcash]

And you are claiming that what they learn from reading the bible discounts what is learnt from studying the world that god created.

I never claimed that. In fact, all of proved science is just further proof of God's existence. Most Christian scientists use science as a proof for God.

Most of science can be proved to be true because we can have first hand experience of it. However, the Big Bang and Evolution happened at the very beginning of time, evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?).

Again, there is scientific proof for such things happening, but there is no actual evidence to prove that they did actually happen. It's science's best guess which can mean it's pretty likely, but is not proved to be 100% true and so shouldn't be depended upon.

I think a lot of science is just "man's best guess" and this is what I was taught by my science teachers and what many great scientists have stated throughout their lives.

[momfreeek]

Ok, so you really think genesis is to be read literally and disproves evolution? You would rather believe genesis word for word than believe that dinosaurs romed the earth millions of years before man? So what are dinosaur bones? Some joke left by god?

Clearly there's issues with genesis. Theologists have relegated much of it to artistic licence or somesuch. Why deny evolution still, disregarding all the frikkin evidence god left for you? Why do you deny his work based on what someone wrote in genesis? Genesis is OLD TESTAMENT which you are quite happy to discount whenever it suits you. Quote me somethign from the new testmanent that discounts evolution.

evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?)

wtf are you talking about oO. This is the sort of ridiculously false bullshit you get from listening to preachers who don't know the first thing about what they are trying to argue against.

[Teutooni]

Ok, so I'm an ignorant idiot for quoting an unorthodox part of the Holy Bible.

evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?).

But so are you. I'll go study the new testament to see if it is any more sensible you go dig up a biology book and get a grasp of evolution theory (yes it is a theory). Ok?

[PicassoCT]

Jesus was condemmned to death for Blasphemy!

Blasphemy means ridiculing God. He is God, so yeah. If you actually read it then you'd understand it was the corrupt High priests who were condemning him.

But also, for brewing trouble and inciting riots..

Nowhere is that written in the Bible...

Thats your version. Mine, beeing alot moar truer and better, because it is written on the first page, says he was a lone, gay nutter, who travelled around with some callboys and tryied to blackmail the highpriests, after he fucked a donkey in public. Knowing real people, and knowing god promised his son to be one of them, you have to admit this is way moar plossible.

[momfreeek]

Ok, so I'm an ignorant idiot for quoting an unorthodox part of the Holy Bible.

The real sad thing is that the only part of the bible that has anything to say about creation is genesis, which is the very first book of the old testament >.<. And genesis is the most ridiculous, obviously not to be taken literally part of the whole thing.

Piece by piece, christians have been reluctantly retreating from reading genesis as literal truth for centuries.

[PicassoCT]

You destroy my hopez to disassemble this world in six days, after i reached world domination. For this, unbeliever, you shall be left behind!

[Jazcash]

Ok, so you really think genesis is to be read literally and disproves evolution? You would rather believe genesis word for word than believe that dinosaurs romed the earth millions of years before man? So what are dinosaur bones? Some joke left by god?

Clearly there's issues with genesis. Theologists have relegated much of it to artistic licence or somesuch. Why deny evolution still, disregarding all the frikkin evidence god left for you? Why do you deny his work based on what someone wrote in genesis? Genesis is OLD TESTAMENT which you are quite happy to discount whenever it suits you. Quote me somethign from the new testmanent that discounts evolution.

evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?)

wtf are you talking about oO.

Firstly, it's the laws that are to be disregarded as they are old laws. Much in the same way that old laws of Britain are still written on paper, but they are to be ignored because they are not in effect. They still happened, but they are not relevant to the modern world because they are old.

Now for New Testament quotes:

"But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female" (Mark 10:6)

"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail."
(Hebrews 1:10-12)

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made... (Romans 1:20)

[Jazcash]

evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?)

wtf are you talking about oO. This is the sort of ridiculously false bullshit you get from listening to preachers who don't know the first thing about what they are trying to argue against.

Sorry, this is what I assumed you believed because when I say "Why is there no evidence of species evolving today?", people reply, "It all happened millions of years ago silly".

[momfreeek]

"But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female" (Mark 10:6)

"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail."
(Hebrews 1:10-12)

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made... (Romans 1:20)

how does any of that disprove evolution? He made everything. Male and female have always existed (even plants have male & female). And that last quote.. I have no frikkin idea what that means, but it seems to suggest that you can see what he has done, which seems to back up science saying there were things that came before what you can see now.. and you can see what happened from studying things in the present.

[Beherith]

http://news.oneindia.in/2010/05/15/fatl ... speed.html

[Jazcash]

how does any of that disprove evolution?

You cannot believe in the creation theory and the evolution theory. Feel free to believe in bits of both but you cannot believe 100% in both. By proving bits of creation, the opposing bits of evolution are disproved.

Secondly, development of a species is not the same as evolution from one species to another which is what the theory of evolution suggests.

[PicassoCT]

Jazcash you cant denounce evolution or atheism by just one evidence failing- those who deliver false evidence and sience are no true atheists or evolution-scientists, and just part of the great conspieracy against us, like you.

[TradeMark]

evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?).

i lol'd, you really are *****

happy mods?

[momfreeek]

how does any of that disprove evolution?

You cannot believe in the creation theory and the evolution theory. Feel free to believe in bits of both but you cannot believe 100% in both. By proving bits of creation, the opposing bits of evolution are disproved.

Secondly, development of a species is not the same as evolution from one species to another which is what the theory of evolution suggests.

But where the fuck did "creation theory" come from? Its not in the bible is it? There is nothing in the bible to choose between creationism or evolution (unless you consider genesis).

Scientists who study the real world are generally agreed that evolution is the correct theory and creatonism is some bullshit made up by religious nutters. Why the fuck would you believe the people who studied nothing over those who studied the real world that god made with his own hands? Surely this is blasphemy.