The website (yes, again)

[Fnordia]

Thanks, I don't think I'll have time to finish this up until the weekend though..

[clericvash]

Thanks, I don't think I'll have time to finish this up until the weekend though..

Well it is looking awesome so far, so keep up the great work.

And whoever else is contributing :)

[smoth]

well I am kinda on and off with availability. I can try and make a few more banners this weekend if I remember to.

[maackey]

The site is absolutely wonderful... except for the light background on some of the pages. From what I can make of the HTML, it looks like its from tables (, rows, and cells) that don't have any class or id tags. I just glanced at the source, I'm not really sure if that's the problem or not, but oh well.

[AF]

If possible can we widen the page by 60-100 pixels?

Right no there are moments when the phpbb forum stretches the template because the template is too small rather than the phpbb forum displaying things too wide. For example, the private message interface.

[Crayfish]

Just glanced at this, it looks like it's pretty much there in terms of functionality. Any idea when we can expect to see it deployed? I imagine that once deployed, informational wiki content will be added pretty quickly for mods etc.

[fliebel]

Hi,

I'm sorry if I post this in the wrong place, but i came here in the following way:
press: CMD+ALT+U(may vary depending on your operating system and browser)
Search for: <table>, <tr> and <td>
Say: !@#%^
Scroll down
Click: "Site layout created by Roflcopter."
Click: "The website (yes, again)"
Read...
Click:

My point is: Why do we use tables?
http://phrogz.net/CSS/WhyTablesAreBadForLayout.html
and more...

And:
W3C validator: 114 errors!!!

[AF]

I had a pure css layout but ti was deemed unfit for purpose because fnordia without askign implemented roflcopters design using his crude knowledge of css. So now we're stuck with it, and the incentive to do web design work for this project has been utterly devastated in the process.

[SwiftSpear]

Look, we don't have a web maintainer. This site was hobbled together by fnord while no one else was willing to put effort into a finished site template. If there's someone out there willing to maintain the site, you can basically do whatever you want with it, as long as it doesn't get worse then it is, and we still have access to the forums and the wiki.

Web developers might not be in love with the site, but we've got our image scrolling frontpage and title elements, and it's got all the working parts, so we're using it.

[Peet]

I had a pure css layout but ti was deemed unfit for purpose because fnordia without askign implemented roflcopters design using his crude knowledge of css. So now we're stuck with it, and the incentive to do web design work for this project has been utterly devastated in the process.

I'm sorry the owner of the site and server didn't ask your permission before modifying it.

[smoth]

I have said several times I do not mind hosting the wiki.

[TradeMark]

My point is: Why do we use tables?

Because the messages are table data? No reason to convert them into <div> shit, since this really is table data... fuck i hate people who whine about tables because they read in some shitty site "TABLES ARE BAAAD DONT USE THEM OMG!! GET FIREFOX!"

sigh.

[AF]

Actually thats not true, there were people willing, in fact I was actively developing when fnordia went and did it without telling anybody whatsoever.

While it is his machine it nonetheless sends out the message that anyone willing to contribute will be ignored or dismissed. It wasn't that fnordia didn't ask for permission to modify my work, he didn't modify my work at all, its that all my effort was rendered pointless and I wasnt even aware of it till it was too late, nobody knew the site would change till he'd already done the work.

Now you have nobody to maintain the site, and you wonder why?

[ralphie]

From memory all you did was install a wiki with an ugly looking skin and said "here it is, put content on it".

I don't think this gives you any right whatsoever to start spouting bullshit about fnordia "daring" to make a new website.

[Forboding Angel]

Divs are more effecient than tables trademark. Divs also show up the same in IE and firefox, so I'm not sure what that was all about...

Hey btw, nice job at reviving a flame war.

[SwiftSpear]

Actually thats not true, there were people willing, in fact I was actively developing when fnordia went and did it without telling anybody whatsoever.

While it is his machine it nonetheless sends out the message that anyone willing to contribute will be ignored or dismissed. It wasn't that fnordia didn't ask for permission to modify my work, he didn't modify my work at all, its that all my effort was rendered pointless and I wasnt even aware of it till it was too late, nobody knew the site would change till he'd already done the work.

Now you have nobody to maintain the site, and you wonder why?

You started well before fnord showed any signs that he was going to do anything, and after fnord has finished what you had made available was still basically a dokuwiki face page with relatively minor alterations.

I told you at the time that if you could put something more functional together we'd still use it, but your design didn't have any of the animated features fnord's design has, and would have required a complete manual porting over of our existing wiki.

With all due respect, we used the design that looked better and required less work to implement. You really have no reason to complain, it's not as if we didn't give you time to put something more complete into contention. At the time fnord was also willing to support his design, where as you indicated several times that you really just wanted to implement what you had and leave it to other people to add features and make it look better.

[TradeMark]

Divs are more effecient than tables trademark. Divs also show up the same in IE and firefox, so I'm not sure what that was all about...

lul wut. tables are used for table data.
everything you see here is table data. no need to make them to div.

omgz. these div geeks think we should build everything upside down just because we can.

divs show up same? lol, they are made with CSS, and CSS isnt same in IE and firefox, ever tried borders and width together? IE fits the borders in the width, firefox adds borders to the width.

more efficient in my ass. i make firefox freeze with 20000 divs or something (IE doesnt freeze there). and tables work just fine with that amount.

we are talking about efficiency in HTML while we play Spring, and own a quadcore at least? thats just ridiculous... like we live in the 15 years past or what

...and people say i think we still use dial-up connection, LMAO.

[Forboding Angel]

A simple description: http://www.xhtmlvalid.com/blog/2008/02/ ... vs-tables/

Tables are sooooo 1995

[TradeMark]

omg fucker, tables are used for table data.

[Peet]

That's enough.