do you belive in global wariming?

[Felix the Cat]

inconvenient truth

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[NOiZE]

Even if global warming is totally irrelevant to society in the long run, peak oil is not. We need a global slow down in energy usage MASSIVELY right now, as we search for new energy solutions to replace oil.

Global Warming IS irrelevant! Reducing CO2 output only costst money and thus energy and is thus waste!

We need to turn the focus to save energy instead of reducing CO2 output.

Our concern should be that oil is running out!

BTW also watch The Great Global Warming Swindle

[jcnossen]

What noize said!

[manored]

My luck that I live in a country that: :)
A) Extracts all the oil it consumes, thus not needing to buy
B) Is getting ready to replace oil with plant alcohol, wich we will never run out of since its extracted from plants

I tough that video was in favor of global warming at first. I was just about to say "Sure im god" :)

[Felix the Cat]

Use of plant alcohol is one of the reasons for rapidly climbing food prices, at least in the US. High food prices hit lower income families the hardest.

If someone figures out how to efficiently generate hydrogen, that would be a good alternative fuel. Hydrogen is actually safer than most people realize. You can store it inside of metal sheets - for example, a sheet of palladium can hold up to 900x the number of hydrogen atoms than palladium atoms. If the hydrogen is produced from water, it's also greenhouse gas-neutral. (If not, hydrogen-oxygen combustion produces water vapor which is one of the strongest greenhouse gases.)

[PicassoCT]

You can Argue all the Hell out of the "NewEnergy-Topic" but as long as there are no Investors willing to take the Risk, and a huge (Oil)Energyindustry defending its monopoly- nothing will ever happen.

So let´s drink my friends till the Barrel is empty and the Dark Ages return!

[manored]

Well I would risk saying that the oil industries must be the bigger researchers of a solution to the energy problem, cause they know that its gonna run out someday :)

And as far as I know the research on new forms of energy is not happening cause they are thinking in nature, but in most part because they are thinking in the end of oil :)

[pharoph]

maybe this is a way that god define armagedon.

[TheRegisteredOne]

I vote for research into geo-engineering. Sure, reduce emissions, save energy etc. but if CO2 end up not being the cause of global warming, we'd all be living much more miserable lives if we do not have a back up plan

[SwiftSpear]

The ecological community is widely in agreeance that CO2 gasses have caused global warming. The great global warming swidle is an interesting film but it has been harshly debunked, and basically completely invalidated. To be very clear, there isn't complete agreeance on exactly what percentage of current warming we are responsible for, and what exactly CO2 reduction is going to result in. The reality is though, there is alot more misinformation circulating in the public then scientific theory. A huge amount of what we hear is basically stupidity, but there is a wide scientific consensus of 3 things.

A: Man made CO2 is a contributor to the current global warming trend.
B: The current trend is a serious threat.
C: Reducing CO2 emissions is a good idea.

Like I say, IMO we're risking too much on a CO2 minimalist approach, we can't let our economies suffer too much for this, or we won't have any tools with which to respond to the effects which may or may not happen irrelevant of any effort to reduce emissions. Working on more efficient energy systems is both better for CO2 emissions, and peak oil.

[manored]

Use of plant alcohol is one of the reasons for rapidly climbing food prices, at least in the US. High food prices hit lower income families the hardest.

In Brazil tough we have a lot of unused space for planting, so we dont have that problem :)

[TopHatMan]

yes, if pouring hundreds of metric tons of carbon from exhaust every 5 seconds doesn't kill the atmosphere, than what does?

I do have to agree with the sunspot theory when sunspots show up alot, it does cause heating up (it also causes communications to get knocked around)

[Caydr]

Serverfarms use Energy(from Powerplants CO²) to provide everybody with Flamewarz and alot of "useless" Heat for the Atmosphere.

So this Thread is the main Reason for global Warming. And this post is guilty for the next hurricane to come. So every Letter a V-I-C-T-I-M - Muhahahahaha

/Team 0 (Spring Community) did their part for global warming.

yes, if pouring hundreds of metric tons of carbon from exhaust every 5 seconds doesn't kill the atmosphere, than what does?

Cows. Specifically, the ones in India. They expel methane from every hole they've got and are actually a polluter comparable to all the cars in many countries combined. I just made the last half of that up to sound authoritative, but seriously it's impressive how much gas they've got. They should be collecting that gas and using it to fuel their cars.

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Now onto the is it real, is it not. Honestly I've heard too much from both sides so I don't think I'm smart enough to understand. I'd say, what's the risk of doing something about it, versus the risk of not? Whichever one results in catastrophic change should be avoided.

Regardless of which way we go, all this hype has helped make people more ecologically-minded, even if for all the wrong reasons. People, I think, would be more willing to try alternative fuels now than they would if none of this had happened. For that reason, hopefully a good one will be developed and take off.

There's actually a LOT of places to get our gas substitute. We just haven't really looked for them seriously until recently. For instance, some "DNA PEOPLE" changed a bunch of algae so instead of producing useless waste, it produces a highly efficient combustible liquid, with way more energy potential than the best gas (by a factor of 10 or something), and at the same time not creating much pollution. Pretty neat stuff...

[SwiftSpear]

I do have to agree with the sunspot theory when sunspots show up alot, it does cause heating up (it also causes communications to get knocked around)

I agree with sunspot theory too... but for the last 30 years we have seen significant warming that doesn't correlate with sunspots at all. The unmistakable assumption one must make is that something else has recently modified the ecosphere in such a way that the temperature of the globe has been manipulated.

I posted this graph earlier in the thread, sun activity in the last 150 years vs global temperature


There's an observable correlation between sun activity and global temperatures, that actually, probably stretches way back into earths ancient history... but it suddenly stops matching up as cleanly 30 years ago. Like I say, it isn't that 100% of current warming on earth man is responsible for... but something has changed.

Finally. I'm not shutting down the forums in fear of global warming. China wins then.

[Caydr]

Your nearest neighbor resizing reminds me of fail.

[Teutooni]

We need a global slow down in energy usage MASSIVELY right now, as we search for new energy solutions to replace oil.

Fusion power for the win. Fusion promises so much it's hard not to be optimistic about it. It could solve all our energy needs for ever. Oh, and it doesn't generate any pollution, save the radioactive helium.

[Peet]

The helium produced isn't radioactive, it's He-4 (assuming you're referring to H-3 + H-2 fusion).

[SwiftSpear]

Your nearest neighbor resizing reminds me of fail.

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Blame fnord. It's the resize method the spring forums use.

[Caydr]

Fusion sounds nifty and all, but they haven't even been able to make a net positive output yet from a single reactor, for a single second, even once. I'm starting to lose hope that it's even possible.

[Zpock]

That graph is strange, "temperature records", "temperature anomaly"? and I'm sure you can make a graph like that show whatever you want by playing around with the shown time period and rescaling/moving the 2 different curves relative to each other. Why are there 2 lines (of the same color), one dotted, and filling inbetwen, dosn't look like uncertainty more like 2 different data sets but seems like your supposed to not notice and just follow the general direction of the shaded area....