One step closer to Power Armour...

Kixxe · Post by **Kixxe** » 18 Jan 2007, 21:45

If it's the armour of the future, as standard as any other, dropping a A bomb to stop an entire ARMY is quite usefull.

AF · Post by AF » 18 Jan 2007, 22:42

EMP weapons where used by the US to take out assorted TV stations in iraq during the invasion.

Lindir The Green · Post by **Lindir The Green** » 18 Jan 2007, 23:00

Supposedly

Deathblane · Post by **Deathblane** » 18 Jan 2007, 23:22

Uhh most military electronics are designed to withstand the emp of at least a small nuke.

Muzic · Post by **Muzic** » 19 Jan 2007, 01:10

P3374H wrote:
Muzic wrote:If it were a power suit, wouldnt an EMP gernade effectivly render it useless?
Show me a military that uses them, outside of science fiction .

And a power suit outside of fiction? Im just saying by the time we have power suits, emp gernades dont seem to hard to construct.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 19 Jan 2007, 01:37

I think met the guy who made the 1313 paste shit, he might have only been a man working on it, I dunno, but he had a block of it and I actually met him at IHOP at 3am in Lubbock one night.. ... His name was
Rix Victory the 2nd... I did some reading on the material, sounds ALOT like the same block of shit he had... the guy was a bit, lost, in the head.. but very friendly... he was kinda neat to talk to..

edit:

well he went by Rix, and he left me his e-mail, and it had his last name... but I guess its a nickname or something...

this is his myspace thing http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... id=4445467

he's a nutty fuckin guy..

erasmus · Post by **erasmus** » 20 Jan 2007, 22:34

Fanger wrote:Baseball bat impacts, 1 do not have more momentum, and 2, are not even the same sort of impact as a bullet.. I dont know where you got that from..

This is all bullshit..

fang, go do the math....a baseball bat is going to do a helluva lot more trauma damage than a bullet that is stopped by armour
only when youre going to .50BMG, shotgun slugs, etc. does it become comparable
so im saying... IF the armour can stop the bullet its gonna prevent you from suffering any trauma, broken bones

and as i said after that....the armour's ability to stop penetration (esp. from AP rounds) is highly questionable
thats where the killing power comes from in most of today's high velocity rifle rounds....entering the target and tumbling or fragmenting, ripping the shit out of your innards, theyre not KE weapons

read more carefully and dont be so quick to dismiss claims

erasmus · Post by **erasmus** » 20 Jan 2007, 22:41

Strategia wrote:
erasmus wrote:apparently he was on a show (daily planet)
Who was the host, Clark Kent?

haha....funny joke

but if youre questioning validity go look it the fuck up

http://www.discoverychannel.ca/dailyplanet/

EDIT: a video.... look for fire jeep http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=9/15/2004

and another, fighting fire with fact
http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=4/23/2004

take of it what you will

j5mello · Post by **j5mello** » 21 Jan 2007, 03:36

Honestly after watching the videos im only so impressed.

The first video which is the one dealing with weapons fire fails to show the suit in action. Instead it is centered on blocks. These blocks look to be about 8-12 inches thick and making them unwieldly and somewhat impractical for use in BDU. Of course you could peel back layers to make them thinner but then you lose protection. Secondly they contain alot more than just his miracle paste, and im quoting from the vid itself, "60 layers of Kevlar, Steel Plates, Aluminum Plates and ceramic shields" (move the seek bar so its left end matches up with the line in the previous button). The other four components of these bags are tired and true protection againt weapons fire. All his paste seems to do is reduce the effects of fire which while impressive (as shown by the second video) isn't that far a step foward. Also the soldier must be completely encased in these blocks or varying levels of weapon fire will still penetrate. However being entirely covered would restrict mobility and environmental awareness. And while they are great for armoring vehicles unless you have total coverage of the vehicle, it is still vulnerable. They may work great against landmines but the windows are still vulnerable and you can't just cover over every window with these blocks. If you do, you lose a jeeps biggest advantage (visibilty) and might as well just use a Stryker or M113 as you get a similar amount protection and visibilty. Im not trying to whine about nor demean his work (i would love to see those block get installed in the floors and doors of light wheeled vehicles like jeeps, trucks or HMMWVs) i just think that you have to take this at face value. Its better armor for vehicles but not so pratical for body armor.

Im not trying to be negative here but that suit is in none of the videos and that is the main focus of this thread. With out videos of the guy in a suit having someone unload several mags of 7.62 over varying distance firing at all points on the suit im not totally convinced. Im not belittling the guys accomplishments nor do i think that this stuff should be shelfed until we get the perfect solution; i just think that his talents could be put to better use in an R&D lab with government support rather than working in his backyard out of his own pocket.

Edited for spelling

Fanger · Post by **Fanger** » 21 Jan 2007, 04:50

exactly erasmus a bullet does not do the same sort of damage as a baseball bat, it can still have more momentum however, that momementum is applied across a much much smaller space than a bat impact. Given the sorts of combat situations troops are in, being able to muffle or reduce injury from a baseball bat impact is useless. Troops in say Iraq suffer casualties from improvised explosives and weapons fire, not mobs weilding bats or bears. Given there is no evidence that has been put forward showing this suit being shot at and deflecting these bullets or at least resisting them. I really dont see it doing much for protecting combat troops from actual combat, might be great to stop people attacking you with knives and bats, but we stopped using those in combat alot about several 100 years ago. I want to see this suit protect something or someone from some sort of fragmentation explosive or weapons fire.. then I will believe that it has an value.. until you show me that this is a waste of time and bullshit..

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 21 Jan 2007, 20:29

The latest suit is designed to limit damage caused by firearms and explosives. The bear suit is a different generation.

1v0ry_k1ng · Post by **1v0ry_k1ng** » 21 Jan 2007, 20:46

dunno about army, but those suits would own for riot police. no more footy hooligcans with bats giving the police a hard time with those. now all it need is co2 powered arm punching action and those kangaroo pogo legs and criminals goin down.

Guessmyname · Post by **Guessmyname** » 21 Jan 2007, 21:55

Prrth. Shotguns vs Hooligans = we win

rattle · Post by **rattle** » 21 Jan 2007, 22:09

Helicopter + mounted .50 cal M2 + vietnam maniac in the back = double win!

Exit69 · Post by **Exit69** » 23 Jan 2007, 21:11

Anywhoo, even if the bullet doesen`t penetrate the suit nor cause injury, it`ll knock the wearer off his feet... welcome to the real world. Can anyone here resist a good baseball bat blow and remain standing on his feet?

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 24 Jan 2007, 03:29

Exit69 wrote:Anywhoo, even if the bullet doesen`t penetrate the suit nor cause injury, it`ll knock the wearer off his feet... welcome to the real world. Can anyone here resist a good baseball bat blow and remain standing on his feet?

You need a MASSIVE gun to impart much kinetic energy to the target with a bullet. The amount of energy contained within your average handgun bullet is laughable, it's like getting hit by a paint ball when it's properly diffused, no where near knocking you off your feet. In fact, if the armor allowed it, I don't think there is a hand held gun that you'd be unable to be standing after it hit you assuming you expected it, most bullets contain less energy then your average human thrown fist.

Use your brain, physics dictates that if a bullet were able to actually push you off your feet then the person firing the gun would have to be pushed off their feet as well, equal and opposite reactions. Bullets trowing people backwards is just hollywood BS.

AF · Post by AF » 24 Jan 2007, 03:32

Or the bullet would need some sort of extra propulsion....

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 24 Jan 2007, 04:50

SwiftSpear wrote:
Exit69 wrote: Bullets trowing people backwards is just hollywood BS.

And the simple fact that humain nervious systems operate to keep you alive. Sure throwing yourself backwards dosn't do much against a bullet. It might against a ROCK, but your nervious system dosn't know it. Or so it has been explained to me.

Exit69 · Post by **Exit69** » 24 Jan 2007, 08:08

If a bullet goes right through the body - then yes, kinetic impact isn`t that big, but if a bullet with known mass is traveling with known speed then gets stopped instantly, resulting impact force is easy to calculate. Gonna go dig up the phisics book... by the way, what power is needed to get the bullet for example through human forehead? Should be quite a lot. Then it gets stopped in a snap. I still believe impact is very strong. Gotta find that formula.

Comp1337 · Post by **Comp1337** » 24 Jan 2007, 09:52

Exit69 wrote:If a bullet goes right through the body - then yes, kinetic impact isn`t that big, but if a bullet with known mass is traveling with known speed then gets stopped instantly, resulting impact force is easy to calculate. Gonna go dig up the phisics book... by the way, what power is needed to get the bullet for example through human forehead? Should be quite a lot. Then it gets stopped in a snap. I still believe impact is very strong. Gotta find that formula.

the formula involves speed and mass. A bullet has a really small mass but a high speed, giving it a decent/lowish amount of kinetic energy. It is however applied to a small area, making the impact penetrate for example your skull.

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