BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

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BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Ares » 29 Nov 2018, 13:36

On Discord there is a lot of talk about contacting Chris Taylor and businesses like WarGaming for BA10 self promotion purposes. Just for the sake of trying to legitimize a version which isn't fully accepted by the community.

This doesn't help solve the issues being discussed on the forum and might actually jeopardize the future of Spring and BA. I suggest making an attempt to solve the problems at hand rather than clutching at straws to drag as many people onto your side as possible with disregard for existing player-base.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Forboding Angel » 29 Nov 2018, 15:49

BA is in a position to shrug off stolen, copyrighted content. If that happens, for the first time, it would be legitimate in the eyes of many people.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Ares » 29 Nov 2018, 16:08

The only people who would take this risk care more about self promotion and the chance of kick starting their own career by launching a hijacked mod on steam for personal gain, than the actual legacy of the mod they inherited.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by hokomoko » 29 Nov 2018, 16:09

If anyone there gave a flying fuck about BA, it's more likely we would see C&Ds than anything beneficial for BA/Spring.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by raaar » 29 Nov 2018, 17:19

He's been doing an rts for mobile or something, and has probably been recurrently asked about making a TA-like game, so he probably already knows about BA and springrts games in general.

The currently played versions have some embarrassingly bad models and animations (many off sync with the units movement speeds), it would need serious remodelling (using BAR models) and polishing.
The only people who would take this risk care more about self promotion and the chance of kick starting their own career by launching a hijacked mod on steam for personal gain, than the actual legacy of the mod they inherited.
There's not just the problem of being tied to OTA content, there's the problem of who owns what. BA devs changed over time, and the current ones are not the ones who did most of the work for BAR models. How would that play out on the long run?


The greatest asset the BA community has is the few dozen players that cling to it and play with each other, and the BA community didn't even get the latest BA version fully accepted, which apparently is due to:
1- a few stubborn individuals which will only play 9.46 and try to keep the 9.46 rooms going
2- a few dozen apathetic individuals which show no preference for the latest 10.x and will happily join 9.46 room if it has more players

The net result of 1 and 2 is them undermining their own game...
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Ares » 29 Nov 2018, 17:32

raaar wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 17:19

1- a few stubborn individuals which will only play 9.46 and try to keep the 9.46 rooms going

The net result is them undermining their own game...
Way to dismiss the entire community as "a few stubborn individuals," You miss the whole point is BA10 undermining BA. Actions like this make it clear the maintainers would rather take a burnt earth policy than be proved wrong.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Forboding Angel » 29 Nov 2018, 20:46

hokomoko wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 16:09
If anyone there gave a flying fuck about BA, it's more likely we would see C&Ds than anything beneficial for BA/Spring.
In copyright law, if a company does not sue to protect their IP, they very well may lose that IP. When you're small, they can ignore you and pretend that you never popped up on their radar. Once you screw up and go big time, they are forced to act.

https://www.varnumlaw.com/newsroom-publ ... -losing-it

A perfect example of this is ElDorito and Halo Online. Microsoft said specifically that they really liked the project and used the softest language possible in their C&D, but that they must protect the halo IP, or they could lose it.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Ares » 29 Nov 2018, 20:58

Forb you gave Flow the botflag idea and look how that ended, you had a say in this one too? Lets not repeat the mistakes of the past.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Forboding Angel » 29 Nov 2018, 23:26

What in the actual fuck are you talking about and how is it relevant in any way to the discussion at hand?
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Ares » 30 Nov 2018, 00:15

Botflag is just one part of a tapestry of evidence that proves your role in harming BA - and this thread is about avoiding.

https://github.com/Balanced-Annihilatio ... 1d3dfc32b1
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by gajop » 30 Nov 2018, 00:24

I can sorta understand why Forb is losing his patience with this.
With all his flaws I haven't seen him actually trying to harm BA. Maybe he did some work you guys don't like, but it seemed well intentioned.
I think it might be best to fork BA into something you might like more.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Ares » 30 Nov 2018, 00:27

How about Forb forks BA into something he likes and leaves BA community alone - then I won't bother mentioning him
gajop wrote:
30 Nov 2018, 00:24
it seemed well intentioned.
If you read the topics since 2016, Discord or speak with regular players, you will know this is not the case.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Forboding Angel » 30 Nov 2018, 00:48

That commit was labeled specifically to trigger people such as yourself. Get jebaited.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Ares » 30 Nov 2018, 01:00

Yes, just one of your many ill-intentioned acts of deliberate harm towards BA players.

This is another specific example of a change you made that the community doesn't like.

Thats why BA's timeline is currently indefinitely frozen exactly at the moment where Forboding Angel got involved: 9.46.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Forboding Angel » 30 Nov 2018, 01:12

ill-intentioned acts of deliberate harm towards BA players
So a commit message is enough to trigger you?

Hold my beer...
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Ares » 30 Nov 2018, 01:14

No one cares about the message, the contents of consecutive commits is the problem. Please undo all of your changes.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Forboding Angel » 30 Nov 2018, 01:25

It seems that you have a severe case of chugondeze. You should get that looked at.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by MasterBel » 30 Nov 2018, 03:00

Ares wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 13:36
On Discord there is a lot of talk about contacting Chris Taylor and businesses like WarGaming for BA10 self promotion purposes. Just for the sake of trying to legitimize a version which isn't fully accepted by the community.
"A lot" It was brought up in a single conversation. But that's the minor piece here; I'm very sure the discussion was focused about making BA more legitimately legal, which would be a good thing for everyone. Even if it only had a minor impact outside legality.

Also be aware that consensus has not been reached and certain persons who must give their support for this to go ahead are currently reserving their support.
Ares wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 13:36
disregard for existing player-base.
Be aware that as many players refuse to play 9.46 as those who refuse to play the latest.
raaar wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 17:19
He's been doing an rts for mobile or something, and has probably been recurrently asked about making a TA-like game, so he probably already knows about BA and springrts games in general.
CT knows about BA and has said he likes what the project is doing.
raaar wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 17:19
The currently played versions have some embarrassingly bad models and animations (many off sync with the units movement speeds), it would need serious remodelling (using BAR models) and polishing.
Oh puh-lease, they're not that bad. They may be visually unappealing to you, but there is way worse out there. Animations have been an issue and are being gradually fixed tho.
Ares wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 13:36
a few stubborn individuals … the whole point is BA10 undermining BA
There are two groups of stubborn individuals: those who feel that BA 10 and its supporters actions are undermining BA and those who feel that BA 9.46 and its supporters' actions are undermining BA. Go figure.
Forboding Angel wrote:
30 Nov 2018, 00:48
That commit was labeled specifically to trigger people such as yourself. Get jebaited.
Yeah, that triggering isn't helping. Please, stop.
Ares wrote:
30 Nov 2018, 01:14
Please undo all of your changes.
Please justify why they're bad first, because Forb has spent more time in BA game development and he wouldn't do something that destroys things. Or if he did, Flow wouldn't let him and would bring attention to it because Flow cares about BA 10, and as you can see wants it to succeed in spite of all adversity. So. Do you really think he'd let Forb destroy it. Be rational now, please.

Why did I do this – this conversation wasn't going anywhere anyway. Oh well.
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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by Forboding Angel » 30 Nov 2018, 03:05

MasterBel wrote:
30 Nov 2018, 03:00
Forboding Angel wrote:
30 Nov 2018, 00:48
That commit was labeled specifically to trigger people such as yourself. Get jebaited.
Yeah, that triggering isn't helping. Please, stop.
Masterbel, that commit was from 2 years ago...

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Re: BA10s "official letter" to Chris Taylor

Post by MasterBel » 30 Nov 2018, 03:15

I'm talking about this:
Forboding Angel wrote:
30 Nov 2018, 00:48
Get jebaited.
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