@BlackHoleHost3-admins: kickBan by smurf-accounts

[SolaEvoli]

I can't play multiplayer anymore, just because 1 smurf.

In the only one BA host, I get kicked every game. All other hosts have no players.

[03:53:41] * BlackHoleHost3 * Hi codes02 (Experienced player), welcome to BlackHoleHost3 (SPADS 0.11.37, automated host).
[04:05:50] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> ouch
[04:06:07] <BlackHoleHost3> <smurf[pro]> you killed all my air cons dude
[04:06:12] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> all really?
[04:06:20] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> i didnt have radar on purpose
[04:06:23] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> how did they show up
[04:06:26] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> thats lame
[04:06:27] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> sorry bro
[04:08:10] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> how many did u have
[04:08:12] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> like 20?
[04:08:20] <BlackHoleHost3> <smurf[pro]> yeah not many
[04:09:07] ** Che joined the battle.
[04:09:07] * BlackHoleHost3 * Hi Che (Experienced player), welcome to BlackHoleHost3 (SPADS 0.11.37, automated host).
[04:10:16] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> bro i was just sim city
[04:10:20] <BlackHoleHost3> <sgsgdf> no need to kill
[04:10:33] ** ergergh joined the battle.
[04:10:33] * BlackHoleHost3 * Hi ergergh (Newbie), welcome to BlackHoleHost3 (SPADS 0.11.37, automated host).
[04:10:39] ** gergrdhbd joined the battle.
[04:10:39] * BlackHoleHost3 * Hi gergrdhbd (Newbie), welcome to BlackHoleHost3 (SPADS 0.11.37, automated host).
[04:10:45] ** fishdick joined the battle.
[04:10:45] * BlackHoleHost3 * Hi fishdick (Newbie), welcome to BlackHoleHost3 (SPADS 0.11.37, automated host).
[04:10:59] <fishdick> !kickban sola
[04:10:59] * BlackHoleHost3 * fishdick called a vote for command "kickBan SolaEvoli" [!vote y, !vote n, !vote b]
[04:10:59] * BlackHoleHost3 * 9 users allowed to vote.
[04:11:02] <sgsgdf> !vote y
[04:11:02] * BlackHoleHost3 * Vote in progress: "kickBan SolaEvoli" [y:2/6, n:0/5] (43s remaining)
[04:11:03] <ergergh> !vote y
[04:11:03] * BlackHoleHost3 * Vote in progress: "kickBan SolaEvoli" [y:3/6, n:0/5] (41s remaining)
[04:11:05] <gergrdhbd> !vote y
[04:11:05] * BlackHoleHost3 * Vote in progress: "kickBan SolaEvoli" [y:4/6, n:0/5] (39s remaining)
[04:11:05] * BlackHoleHost3 * Awaiting following vote(s): Stoy,codes02,SolaEvoli,smurf[pro],Hakora,Che
[04:11:23] <BlackHoleHost3> <smurf[pro]> !n
[04:11:23] * BlackHoleHost3 * Vote in progress: "kickBan SolaEvoli" [y:4/6, n:1/5] (21s remaining)
[04:11:23] * BlackHoleHost3 * Awaiting following vote(s): Stoy,codes02,SolaEvoli,Hakora,Che
[04:11:44] * BlackHoleHost3 * Vote for command "kickBan SolaEvoli" passed (delay expired).
[04:11:44] ** SolaEvoli left the battle ().
[04:11:44] ** Left Battle.
[04:12:49] ** Server ** Failed to join battle. Denied by host (temporary kick-ban by fishdick)

[04:20:48] <sgsgdf> !kickban sola
[04:20:48] * BlackHoleHost3 * sgsgdf called a vote for command "kickBan SolaEvoli" [!vote y, !vote n, !vote b]
[04:20:48] * BlackHoleHost3 * 8 users allowed to vote.
[04:20:52] <fishdick> !vote y
[04:20:52] * BlackHoleHost3 * Vote in progress: "kickBan SolaEvoli" [y:2/5, n:0/5] (42s remaining)
[04:20:54] <gergrdhbd> !vote y
[04:20:54] * BlackHoleHost3 * Vote in progress: "kickBan SolaEvoli" [y:3/5, n:0/5] (40s remaining)
[04:20:54] * BlackHoleHost3 * Awaiting following vote(s): Stoy,ergergh,SolaEvoli,smurf[pro],Hakora,Che
[04:20:56] <ergergh> !vote y
[04:20:56] * BlackHoleHost3 * Vote in progress: "kickBan SolaEvoli" [y:4/5, n:0/5] (38s remaining)
[04:20:56] * BlackHoleHost3 * Awaiting following vote(s): Stoy,SolaEvoli,smurf[pro],Hakora,Che
[04:20:59] ** gergrdhbd left the battle ().
[04:21:02] ** ergergh left the battle ().
[04:21:07] ** sgsgdf left the battle ().
[04:21:11] ** fishdick left the battle ().
[04:21:11] ** Hakora left the battle ().

[Silentwings]

Whilst it's not good to see happen, this forum isn't the right place to complain - see viewtopic.php?f=16&t=28199. Contact the autohost admins, SPADS hosts can configure this not to happen.

[ShockWave]

Tnk for your message. Would have been better a direct message to us through the IRC, but this problem affects
all hosts actually... we are evaluating solutions.

[Jools]

Tnk for your message. Would have been better a direct message to us through the IRC, but this problem affects
all hosts actually... we are evaluating solutions.

Actually I'm glad he posted here, so others can also see this issue exist. Potential solutions would be to:

— adjust http://planetspads.free.fr/spads/doc/sp ... ticipation :"This is the minimum percent of voters that must have voted manually for a poll to be taken into account by SPADS". But it's not optimal since it affects other commands that are non-controversial and need to be passed easily.

— write a plugin for just this event (https://springrts.com/wiki/SPADS_plugin_development, the documentation is excellent), for the kickban vote. But there could be other similar exploits.

Maybe one solution would be to have two separate vote commands: one like it is now for simple votes, which can be passed easily, and one with qualified majority voting, that would consider blank votes as no for instance. But no matter how we adjust the rules, there will always be possible loopholes. The best solution would of course be to try to make people behave nicely in the first place.

Edit: or some smurf-detection tools for voting, which ids actually the issue here. Maybe don't let people vote until they have stayed in lobby for 60 seconds for instance?

[Jools]

Made a spads plugin for this: viewtopic.php?f=88&t=33849

[SolaEvoli]

Tnk for your message. Would have been better a direct message to us through the IRC, but this problem affects
all hosts actually... we are evaluating solutions.

PMs only work while the player is online and it's difficult to access the messages when spring-lobby crashes directly after you receive them.
Also it was difficult to access the admin list of a host, where I could not join.

It would be nice to have some sort of:

• !report [optional host-name defaults to current one] player|admin|bug|...
  !links [optional host-name defaults to currently joined one] (shows all links: forum, bugreport, etc)

Which gives you information of where and how you should leave a message.