Zoom this inverted?

Zoom this inverted?

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JacklJack
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Zoom this inverted?

Post by JacklJack » 14 Feb 2018, 23:34

I'm new to the game and I have 2 questions:

1) Because scrool mouse is different from all RTS I know, command conquer, supreme commander, company of heroes. Is it just reversed, swiveling upwards the zoom goes down and moving down goes up?
Can not you figure it out? Do you have any options that you can fix? Or I'm forced to forget all RTS I've ever played in life to get used to this, it gets annoying this ... (Balanced Annihilation)

2) Do not have a campaign? Do you have missions? I searched until I found one here: http://springfiles.com/spring/missions/ ... on-mission
But I do not know how it installs and I do not even know if it works ...
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gajop
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by gajop » 15 Feb 2018, 03:58

1) Try setting InvertMouse to 1 in your springsettings.cfg file.
2) BA doesn't have a working campaign to my knowledge. I think ZK is currently best for SP content: https://zero-k.info/Wiki/Download
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MasterBel2
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by MasterBel2 » 15 Feb 2018, 07:04

JacklJack wrote: 1) Because scrool mouse is different from all RTS I know, command conquer, supreme commander, company of heroes. Is it just reversed, swiveling upwards the zoom goes down and moving down goes up?
Ingame, select the options button in the top right corner, then on the first page find the scroll speed in the bottom right. Set that option to whatever value it was before, but negative. EG. if it is 25, drag it to the left until it is -25.

You can also set this in lobby through the menu option Edit -> Spring Settings
gajop wrote:1) Try setting InvertMouse to 1 in your springsettings.cfg file.
This option does nothing for me. @JacklJack I don't suggest you change it.
JacklJack wrote: 2) Do not have a campaign? Do you have missions?
Nope, I've been looking into the possibility of making one but have not made progress due to time+experience constrains. Zero-k is probably the most similar game that has missions, if you're into singleplayer then definitely check them out.
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Google_Frog
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by Google_Frog » 15 Feb 2018, 16:11

To get the same zoom behaviour as other games you need to set ScrollWheelSpeed negative in springsettings.cfg. I have 'ScrollWheelSpeed = -25'.

A warning, for Zero-K you do not need to make this change as it comes with good defaults and a settings menu. Touching a config file manually might break something, although it is fairly resilient.
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JacklJack
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by JacklJack » 15 Feb 2018, 19:44

MasterBel2 wrote:
JacklJack wrote: 1) Because scrool mouse is different from all RTS I know, command conquer, supreme commander, company of heroes. Is it just reversed, swiveling upwards the zoom goes down and moving down goes up?
Ingame, select the options button in the top right corner, then on the first page find the scroll speed in the bottom right. Set that option to whatever value it was before, but negative. EG. if it is 25, drag it to the left until it is -25.
It worked, really change from 25 to -25 in the options worked out, thanks ...

I know multiplayer is a lot more fun. More for beginners a campaign would not be bad and Total Annihilation has missions mount ...
Just as in the community "Forged Alliance Forever" was implemented the campaign and soon after some time cooperative campaign.
I hope in a future here too ...
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gajop
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by gajop » 15 Feb 2018, 19:49

There are two scenario making tools if you want to contribute:
http://springboard-core.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ and
https://zero-k.info/mediawiki/index.php ... ion_Editor

But generally making them takes time, which is why only ZK has a campaign built right now.
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raaar
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by raaar » 16 Feb 2018, 05:20

I too stumbled on this at some point and changed scrollwheel speed to -25.

This thing about zoom is probably one of those minor issues that has been silently annoying and alienating potential players over the years.
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triton
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by triton » 16 Feb 2018, 07:55

Can't it be changed by default?
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MasterBel2
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by MasterBel2 » 16 Feb 2018, 13:07

triton wrote:Can't it be changed by default?
Hopefully, I can also see need for the design of the option to be changed, so that speed and direction are two different controls, so it is easier to understand and use.


Also, I think that the options probably need to be made a little more navigable, but that's a different issue.
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Floris
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by Floris » 17 Feb 2018, 01:32

Made it possible for next BA options screen:

"Scroll zoom speed" slider can only be positive + new "Scroll inversed" toggle
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raaar
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by raaar » 17 Feb 2018, 04:40

I agree too, the default should be changed.
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Senethril
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by Senethril » 12 Mar 2018, 02:56

I played yesterday in ba on a chickenmap*
Apart recently the very huge lag as usual on this type of map,
there was a bug with zoom inverted, at start it was not recognized as default and after that
it was impossible to switch the zoom via settings and more even after a luaui reload , its only after 15mn that was solved by itself after many switches, the map was very laggy that may be the cause.
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Floris
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by Floris » 12 Mar 2018, 14:53

yeah it wasn't working properly, but i just fixed it for next version
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raaar
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by raaar » 07 Dec 2018, 07:48

Recently i've seen new players run into this issue again.

Is there a way to enforce the scroll speed=-25 through a lua widget?
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Forboding Angel
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Re: Zoom this inverted?

Post by Forboding Angel » 07 Dec 2018, 16:26

Yeah, just write a little widget and use Spring.SetConfigFloat to set it.

More details here:
https://springrts.com/wiki/Lua_UnsyncedCtrl

But this is a shitty solution. The default needs to be changed, period.
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