Thank you

Thank you

Various things about Spring that do not fit in any of the other forums listed below, including forum rules.

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albator
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Thank you

Post by albator » 10 Oct 2011, 22:42

I just wanted to Thanks Trademark for all the awsome work he has done so far about awsome fun-fun-fun maps and the awsome replays website which was some kind of a link between all the players that like to play, have fun and share their experience with others (mostly player-only spring people)

I also liked how you answered trolls :D, I ll miss that if I keep hanging out here
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smoth
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Re: Thank you

Post by smoth » 11 Oct 2011, 00:03

Wtf happened to trademark?
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Hoi
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Re: Thank you

Post by Hoi » 11 Oct 2011, 00:05

Banned 3 months ago for a post that really wasn't worth a permanent ban?
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knorke
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Re: Thank you

Post by knorke » 11 Oct 2011, 00:07

ban all the users!
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AF
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Re: Thank you

Post by AF » 11 Oct 2011, 00:41

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knorke
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Re: Thank you

Post by knorke » 11 Oct 2011, 01:51

i unbanned tm. dunno if worked?
knorke Excluded user from ban for reason ÔÇ£not drama enoughÔÇØ
┬╗ TradeMark Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:27 am
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Silentwings
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Re: Thank you

Post by Silentwings » 11 Oct 2011, 22:19

Sad day :/ I can't believe TM had done something worth a perma ban.

Edit: Checked. He didn't, imo.
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Re: Thank you

Post by very_bad_soldier » 11 Oct 2011, 22:23

AF wrote:For epic lulz:

http://replays.adune.nl/
Can someone explain the first sentence please? Its probably me but I just dont get it.
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Re: Thank you

Post by Silentwings » 11 Oct 2011, 22:28

Afaik it says: He used to get the hosting for free, and had recently been asked to pay for it, or move.
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AF
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Re: Thank you

Post by AF » 11 Oct 2011, 22:30

Also, wait a minute or two and listen
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MiNiMi
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Re: Thank you

Post by MiNiMi » 11 Oct 2011, 22:42

now are Sheep and Wombat jobless :(
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Re: Thank you

Post by Wombat » 11 Oct 2011, 23:19

^THIS

one of the last fun things about this place is gone, nice. only WIP and smoths rage left :(
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smoth
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Re: Thank you

Post by smoth » 11 Oct 2011, 23:28

I made RAGE, you found me out, I am really john carmack
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Re: Thank you

Post by knorke » 12 Oct 2011, 05:56

that replay site really tied the room together :?
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Re: Thank you

Post by Degenerated4 » 12 Oct 2011, 13:57

Had there not been rampant hypocrisy, censorship, double standards and other qualities of this boards moderation team...

To eliminate said problems one would have to admit they exist first. Might consider giving a shit about Spring again.
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Post by AF » 12 Oct 2011, 14:45

Moderation has improved, there are still issues, but they appear to be more to do with differing views of what exactly the rules and organisations mean, aka interpretations. Any discussion of this to clarify though is struck down as back seat moderation or locked anyway so there's nothing that can be done here.

The alternative was transparency and effective moderation through technology. This used to be the popular way forward with moderation staff, but in practice when presented with technical developments, they're praised but never implemented. The only such improvements we've seen are ones that came as hidden surprises when phpbb updated or ones that already existed and just needed a few options to be twiddled.

So far the only proven method of improving moderation is the "be an almighty pain in the arse" method which is incredibly draining and kills all credibility you have. I should know, I was a horrendous pain in the arse lobbying for fairer moderation and community management, and that pretty much killed any weight or gravitas what I say held on this forum by labelling me as someone who makes loud noises and shouts a lot.

Also it is questionable wether the improvements in the community of the last 2 years are due to better moderation measures, or because people got fed up and either left or sat on the side doing their own thing. I can think of a number of community members who sit on the periphery for this reason.
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Re: Thank you

Post by very_bad_soldier » 12 Oct 2011, 16:02

There should be a decision first if this place is meant to be a serious game development forum or a trolls playground you visit to read some flames when you are bored. Those aims obviously clash with each other (e.g. people complain when trolls get banned because there is no more "fun").
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Re: Thank you

Post by AF » 12 Oct 2011, 16:12

There is no momentum or will with regards to that decision, and there is the misconception running rife that any separation of the forums will be separation of the community.

In the past I was commissioned to create a developers site so that this would be the player hub, and developer documentation and discussion would be sectioned off in a nice airy clean environment free of trolling and 'whos listening to this' or minecraft threads. In the end it was never used. To this day the joomla site spams me with XYZ has registered emails and I'm powerless to disable it..

We're also stuck with PHPBB ( which has no real plugin or modding support other than the hacking the community was forced to put together ). There's no will to try or experiment with other solutions even on a per project basis, and there is much resistance.

In the past I've offered bots and programs to moderators who have since passed on, that never saw the light of day.

For example, I offered a bot called modbot to swiftspear that logged administrators and moderators on the lobby so that we would know exactly who had access and who didn't regardless of wether they were logged on, squashing several rumours that people such as Tsuyosa had second accounts with admin privileges. It was built and tested but never deployed, swiftspear liked it but didn't have the acumen and power to put it in place.

So far the only technical changes improving moderation that have ever been put in place are the following:
  • Chanserv
  • The proliferation of private lobby channel bots e.g. my own banbot ( and the many more advanced replacements by other people )
  • Autohost banning controls
  • SJs removal of the postcounts from the forums ( made for completely different reasons )
  • Forum Catchpas for spambots
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Re: Thank you

Post by CarRepairer » 12 Oct 2011, 16:12

All games played on any springie host have replays automatically stored here:

http://zero-k.info/Battles

When you scroll to the bottom and wait it loads more.
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Re: Thank you

Post by smoth » 12 Oct 2011, 16:32

Degenerated4 wrote:Had there not been rampant hypocrisy, censorship, double standards and other qualities of this boards moderation team...

To eliminate said problems one would have to admit they exist first. Might consider giving a shit about Spring again.
As you ban dodge..
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