is time for meeting ok ? conclusion: meeting time is fine, we try to start exact at 9 pm next time
Anything else? conclusion: jk made a vote to get a name for his changes: viewtopic.php?t=26141 please vote after reading the description!
________Release plan <zerver>We have a few weeks to make a release before vacations start I guess <abma>yes, true... <zerver>What is the status for pathing issues? <Kloot><== still waiting for a mantis report with summary <zerver>okay, from anyone special, or do you want help from just anyone <zerver>personally, im unaware of the issue <Kloot>no, I just want to know what the issues are supposed to be <Kloot>(in more detail) <zerver>okay, i guess you should ask whomever compained in the first place to provide a report <Kloot>nobody actually complained afaik, but hoi mentioned there were some in a previous meeting <jK>performance may be a problem <Kloot>maybe, it is a bit slower because more corner cases are handled <zerver>if hoi cant provide a good report, i'd suggest just release and let actual games show where the problem lies <zerver>so, we wait another week for bug report, and if none comes we release? <Kloot>if there are no other major outstanding problems left <zerver>sounds good, ill disable the dynsun and merge MT
________merge https://github.com/spring/spring/commit ... 2a0f0e7bc9 (isolated mode) ? <abma>anything against it? <abma>+1 for making a release... <abma>there are so many bad tested changes <zerver>it will probably be a failed release, but that I see no other way to progress :) <abma>yep, i think so too <Kloot>this is why releases need to be made at least every 6 months, or the engine gets stuck in development hell <zerver>+1 <zerver>devs get lazy too, when there is no action <zerver>true portable isolation mode looks good to me <abma>ok, i'll merge it then, as i can't see a reason why not to do it <jK>isn't that already merged? <abma>ehm <jK>where are the differences to the old if not? <abma>lol, i don't really know <zerver>wasn't it the rename to isolation mode? <zerver>iirc we didn't like the "true isolation" terminology <abma>ehm, yes <abma>the branch wasn't renamed <zerver>i mean "true portable" ofc <zerver>no complaints, so go ahead and merge
________merge https://github.com/spring/spring/pulls/seedb ? <abma>ok <abma>ehm, jk: you answered to that pull request, but there is no real conclusion <abma>delete these files, because they are not needed? <jK>? <jK>never used the word `delete` <abma>remove? <jK>not even that <abma>"glxext.h etc. don't need to get updated. They are deprecated and never officially updated, the only things that needs an update from time to time are the GLEW files in mingwlibs." <jK>I only said that the change isn't needed and explained him how to update GL headers correctly <abma>so, these files have to keep as is? <abma>because of headless build <jK>it is a *no change required* <abma>ok, then i'll close the pull request... <jK>k <abma>thx for the explanation
________is time for meeting ok? <abma>was by me <abma>as nearly all are here, i think its ok <Kloot>time of the meeting is not the cause of lower attendance im <zerver>yeah <Kloot>o* <jK>yeah, monday is okay and much better than sunday was <abma>ok <jK>currently there are just less topics, perhaps reduce meetings to all 2weeks? <abma>hm, in general i like the weekly approach, its easier to know when is meeting <abma>maybe we could try to keep it a bit shorter if possible <jK>last `meetings` were short <zerver>a release will change that <abma>hmm, ok shorter meetings not possible <Tobi>time is fine for me <zerver>problem is maybe that meetings tend to take 30mins before == Welcome == <abma>hm, that could be shortened a bit, yes <zerver>a waste of time unless you happen to be sitting in front of the computer anyway <abma>ok, it looks like its ok as it is <abma>its not perfect, but it seems to work <zerver>i'd say we try to reduce 30mins to 15 to begin with <Tobi>we could just actually start at 9 precise <abma>we can try, yes <zerver>yup <Tobi>I would prefer that too, cause now I'm often already doing something completely different and forgot to even look in the meeting again :) <zerver>everyone set alarm to 8:55 to have time for the espresso machine <abma>:D <jK>hehe yeah, that's the cause why answers sometimes take ages <zerver>* slurp * <jK>and ppl just wait for somebody to wake up <abma>yes, true <abma>so... next "point"? <abma>next week same time? <zerver>ya <abma>yep, from here, too
________Anything else <jK>any new ideas for widget/gadgets main categorie? <Kloot>I liked springlet best <zerver>yeah, thats nicce <zerver>ISUMC (incredibly slow user-mode code) <Tobi>scriptlet +1 from me <Tobi>springlet is okish too <jK>scriptlet is more selfexplaining <jK>but there is already LUS <abma>hmm... unified script handler? <abma>usha? <abma>hm, springlet sounds nice, but imo it doesn't fit here <abma>or did i missunderstood? <abma>its for the handler or for the scripts? <zerver>for the scripts I think, and the handler <jK>the handler needs a name for those lua scripts <jK>the handler is just `handler` <abma>ok <abma>...widget, gadget, springlet ...fits good? <abma>thats stuff programmers don't want to answer :D <jK>and what is with sprocket or just `plugin` <jK>? <Kloot>sprocket would be better if the spring logo showed a gear, not a stylized sun <zerver>sprocket is for bikes :) <zerver>SpringPlugÔäó <abma>SpringApp <zerver>or maybe mod, since we abandoned that term in favor of games? <zerver>LuaModHandler <jK>hmmm mods would be good, but think it is too early to use that term for other things yet <jK>+I <zerver>yeah, might cause confusion <jK>i hate name finding >_< <abma>gadget widget -> wadget :-D <zerver>modget <zerver>:P <Kloot>pluagin <zerver>hmm... modget actully doesn't sound that bad, only it is very close to midget <jK>imps? <abma>[LCC]jK: in general its a lua-script, like gadgets/widgets? <jK>it is a categorie <jK>it will get find usage in handler.dooda (table of all loaded doodas), handler:UpdateDooDaCallIn(), handler:RemoveDooDa() ... <jK>+d <abma>what will this scripts do? <jK>they will be either gadgets or widgets <abma>aaah, ok <abma>so, springlet fits very well <abma>hmm, damn <abma>make a poll? <zerver>y <jK>yeah should have enough names for a poll now <zerver>I vote for spridget <abma>hm, with pool i thought about a poll in the forum <abma>pool=poll <zerver>ah, i thought a devs only poll <abma>we have 10 ideas and 5 people who can vote <zerver>shall I make the poll? <jK>already making <zerver>nice <jK>list of options http://pastebin.com/6Vhvmxp8 <zerver>some are singular form, other plural <zerver>that needs to be fixed <zerver>and put them in alphabetic order <abma>hm.. plugin is confusing <abma>imo <abma>should be something individual <zerver>but this is a vote, so you are overruled <abma>yep <zerver>:D <abma>:) <jK>3 or 5 votes? <jK>per user <abma>3 should be enough? <zerver>3 <jK>there are 13 options <jK>hmm I will set it to 4 <jK>too many things sound similar, so ppl want more things <jK>+to vote <jK>http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=26141 <abma>i'm afk now <zerver>bye <jK>bye <abma>re <abma>about the release: what needs to be done? <abma>doc/releasechecklist.txt ? <abma>Kloot, [LCC]jK, [RoX]Tobi, zerver: ping :) <Kloot>if it is going to be an official release, you'll want to do all those steps yes <Kloot>(official as in deployed on server) <abma>ok... <Kloot>for an "RC" just link to a buildbot installer in a flashy news post <abma>i asked because of changelog <abma>i think this should be made for an rc, too? <Kloot>preferably, but most important for those is to mention the major changes <Kloot>ie. things most likely to have been broken <abma>git diff --stat 0.82.7.1 <abma> 1771 files changed, 276692 insertions(+), 69005 deletions(-) <Kloot>full-detail log can follow later <abma>ok <abma>:-) <Kloot>^^ <abma>most additions are because of assimp
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ehm...no, please always test if you can and reports bugs! imo the devs need always feedback.
as we hopefully get a test-release soon, it would make more sense to take the same time to test the release-candidate as there are currently some branches not merged into the master. (which could lead to new bugs)
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Is there still a way to get (windows binary) test versions of the engine to see if games will work with next release? Probally on http://springrts.com/dl/buildbot/default/ but I am not sure what to download.
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