In the busy subway of a huge capital city, people crush each other foot, never share a smile or a kind word. Two trekkers who meet in the middle of a desert greet each other warmly, share food, etc... Same individuals, different context.
So the less people the more friendly they are. The crowdest, the worst they behave.
It's not about the people. It's about the people concentration.
The commander status as a free nuke is related to the mod mechanic. It is easy for instance to forbid the commanders to be tranported by the atlas of other teams, and you'd have to be highly pedantic to pretend it would change the gameplay. That this trivial fix hasn't been implemented in BA despite numerous thread on the subject shows a delibarate intent to let newbs be abused.
Read back the first post: Half of the abuse NeOmega listed is plainly not possible in games where you don't start with a mobile nuke.
BA long history, conservative changelogs, and sprawnling unit count, makes it a mod where experience matters, contributing to the feeling that newb are useless. But in a mod like Kernel Panic where everything can be learnt in 5 minutes, not so much!
Joined: 22 Feb 2006, 01:02 Location: cheap kitchen
tl;dr avoid the large BA games on DSD, FalsomDam, Tabula and the like. In 1v1,2v2,3v3 I hardly ever see so much drama.
It is a bit like joining a public counterstrike server, there will always be some asshead who teamkills everybody at the start of the round or spams flashbangs on his own team and whatnot.
You guys think the problem is mod related ?
edit : look viewtopic.php?p=462688#p462688
XTA and same shit
That is different. I think none of these people would react/chat to a newb like in this thread.
But in a mod like Kernel Panic
If KP would become the new BA-DSD, I am sure people would come up with ways to troll that too. ie block in their teammates sockets with walls or teamkill with the pointer-fire-thing or this nuke thing. But the trolls want a big audience and 8vs8 BA has it.
This is intrinsic to a TA-style RTS. Your teammates are consuming resources that you could use more efficiently, and their corpses provide fuel for the enemy's ovens. It's not as bad as DOTA-style games, but still, a bad teammate is a *huge* problem for your team.
Because of that, teamplayers rage when they've got a weak teammate. And we don't have a large enough community to segregate players by skill well.
*A games don't work well as FFA-games either - the time-investment is longer for even less payoff, since usually FFA games don't involve lengthy, heroic campaigns but rather one player building up a large enough force to eat the weakest player, and then the other players fall like dominoes.... and for the newb, because of the fog-of-war, all this action is happening off-camera.
BA especially is unforgiving as a TA-mod, because it has faster (and yet unresponsive) units and more fragile structures... and it involves a lot of counterintuitive stunts like self-destructing your commander to harvest the metal. For hardcore players, this stuff is gravy. For newbs, it's a nightmare.
And other games barely exist as an online community.
Yesterday we had a nice 1v1 player tourney with 16 player and much more spec. Small game and duel are played every evening. You just all waste your time complaining here. There are no problem with BA. If 90% of player play it that it for a reason same reason i play it (when I play CA XTA or SA, i jsut miss BA gameplay)
Just play what you like and noob players eventually come to play small game or real 8v8 map with you. Just "waste" your time explaining them ingame rather than posting here
Joined: 22 Jul 2008, 01:30 Location: Yorkshire, UK
TA is the best RTS, I've played, and spring made it look pretty good.
That was the reason I mentioned xta/sa/nota, and it's not a mod problem directly, but it is indirectly. as zwsg said, it's the concentration. Yeah it's more BA DSD than specicifically BA, but the problem arises from the ethos in those BA DSD games and the playerbase of them
and that XTA thread, I wouldn't tell a newb to stop playing his air guitar (reference to one of IK's facebook statuses) and stop trolling. I only said it because IK knows I <3 him. Using casual "banter" between XTA players to each other as hard evidence that we treat newbs like crap is pretty flimsy stuff to be honest, and I'm suprised you used it. All I see in that thread is some XTA players, a BA player and an SA player.
but yeah, it is mod related, as BA has the biggest potential, being the largest mod, to house people like this. also it'll nearly always be the first and possibly only mod played by newbs. and as they'll play 8v8 they won't have a good player to give them help on an indivudual level as, most likely, the "good" player will be fighting, start losing, then see his ally learning how to play and be annoyed due to the course of the battle.
Joined: 17 Sep 2008, 03:36 Location: your imagination
Regardless of whether or not the quality of the players has anything to do with the merits of the game itself, recommending that someone play something other then BA after a bad spring experience is solid advice.
Non-BA games aren't really that difficult to come by either, I reached vet on an account with almost no BA playtime.
Joined: 10 May 2009, 11:27 Location: on new sidney
well, only issue here is autohost moderation
zwsg is rigth, but removing com isnt an option, or altering gameplay.
all these peoples talking about 1v1 and diferent mod are wrong, you cant force people to play something, they must choose for themselves.
as i said each and every bot owner must at least control theyr host. Im not saying they should go in there 24 hours a day, but at least when theyr on they should moderate it, and see its status.
One of the solutions is not getting moderators and engine devs to do it. Its just get a couple good people nomeate like 4 from all spring comunity with basic kick commands in every autohost that regulary play and thats it.
Albator beherit triton so on...... people that dont actualy drama to mutch in lobby and just want to play thats it
No mods should be spoiled by people bad behaviour. And this is moderation fault.
enough to remind knobs and sheeps situation when they just said sorry (like 4289208th time) and got unbanned. same, why tired is still not banned. and... or nvm
actually i want sheep to stay, cos hes not so stupid anymore, and the more good players the better. but KNOB. fuck him, ip ban or something. or better yet someone find him in australia and punch him right in the face
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