again the nazie shoe

tanks trading rounds with robotic nazi mechs- YES

and zepplins, gotta have zepplins

So moar Code Guardian in next release please!
http://www.cee-gee.net/Movies/Movies.htm

I am only doing that one model guys...

That sucked so very, very much.

First post banner link is broken, should be: http://s44.koshi.homelinux.net/downloads.php

Hi,

would be nice to reclaim or "delete only" the Trees that stand
in the way of vehicles ...
ATM it is no nice way to doing this.

Regards
R-TEAM

I liked the part about helium. It is funny because it is true!

I dont have anything useful to add, just thought i'd say im finding this quite fun once you get used to playing with icons

Sweet, glad you like it. The icon problem is one we've been fighting with for a while, and short of tripling all the unit sizes, I'm not really sure how to address it.

A lot of changes arriving next version, so for the three people who read this thread:

• Planes! (recon, fighters, fighter-bombers, ground attack for all sides) - recon may be ordered from the HQ, while all others require the nation's command & control radar building.
• Spawn'd bases (you begin the game with storage buildings, some AA, engineer, ect)
• New game modes, borrowed from CA and KDR's controlVictory gadget. - now you can choose between deployment/traditional means of unit construction, and normal flag capping vs control victory/multi-domination for point scoring/game ending.

A fair few largish balance/gameplay tweaks:

• Suppression radii for explosives halved across the board.
• AT troops 25% cheaper
• firing arcs on all towed guns reduced considerably.
• Others that I'm forgetting now and will post later.

I keep getting dropped from the server about 15 minutes in. Only on 1944.

Vista latest
amd athlon 3000
radeon x700
1.5gig memory

LogOutput initialized.
Available log subsystems: unit, CollisionVolume, VFS-detail, VFS, ArchiveScanner, mapinfo
Enabled log subsystems:
Enable or disable log subsystems using the LogSubsystems configuration key
or the SPRING_LOG_SUBSYSTEMS environment variable (both comma separated).
Using script script.txt
using configuration source "F:\Users\Larry\AppData\Local\springsettings.cfg"
OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition, 32-bit Service Pack 1 (build 6001)
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+; 1534MB RAM, 3324MB pagefile
Using read-write data directory: F:\Program Files\Spring\
Scanning: F:\Program Files\Spring\maps
Scanning: F:\Program Files\Spring\base
Scanning: F:\Program Files\Spring\mods
Video mode set to 1400 x 900 / 32 bit
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[ 0] Using map 1944_BocageSkirmish.smf
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[ 0] Using script Commanders
[ 0] Using mod Spring: 1944 Operation Konstantin (v0.92)
[ 0] Using mod archive S44Konstantin_v092.sdz
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[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/feature_tree_hitvolume.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_ammo.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_corpsecleaner.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_doesnotcount.lua
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[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_flagmanager.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_increasingflagreturns.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_infsupply.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_logisticssupply.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_minefields.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_notreereclaim.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_radiotower.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_startposclear.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/gui_suppressionindicators.lua
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[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/unit_cobbutton.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/unit_morph.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/unit_squadspawner.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/unit_upgrademanager.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/cmd_areaattack.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/cmd_doline.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/cmd_fixbuttons.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/dbg_profiler.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/feature_tree_hitvolume.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_ammo.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_corpsecleaner.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_doesnotcount.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_fearhandler.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_flagmanager.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_increasingflagreturns.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_infsupply.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_logisticssupply.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_minefields.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_notreereclaim.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_radiotower.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_startposclear.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/gui_suppressionindicators.lua
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[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/unit_cobbutton.lua
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[ 0] Loaded gadget: Radio Tower Air Mission Caller <game_radiotower.lua>
[ 0] Loaded gadget: Supression Indicators <gui_suppressionindicators.lua>
[ 0] Loaded gadget: Tree Hit Volume Change <feature_tree_hitvolume.lua>
[ 0] Loaded gadget: UnitMorph <unit_morph.lua>
[ 0] Loaded gadget: Area Attack <cmd_areaattack.lua>
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[ 0] Loaded gadget: Increasing Flag Returns <game_increasingflagreturns.lua>
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[ 0] Loaded gadget: Profiler <dbg_profiler.lua>
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[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/cmd_doline.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/cmd_fixbuttons.lua
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[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_logisticssupply.lua
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[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_notreereclaim.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_radiotower.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_startposclear.lua
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[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/unit_cobbutton.lua
[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/unit_morph.lua
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[ 0] gf1 = LuaRules/Gadgets/unit_upgrademanager.lua
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[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_infsupply.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_logisticssupply.lua
[ 0] gf2 = LuaRules/Gadgets/game_minefields.lua
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[ 0] Loaded gadget: Radio Tower Air Mission Caller <game_radiotower.lua>
[ 0] Loaded gadget: Supression Indicators <gui_suppressionindicators.lua>
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Maybe another suggestion here:
I'll attach the morph gadget which I modified after lurker's advice. It lets you customize the text on a units morph button. I'd consider to use this in order to e.g. make it say like "mobile" or "pack" on the icons for mobilizing your deployed guns and with this I'd also replace all that standard buttons you've included in some units. That is for example the standard and not that much visible deploy button for MG gunners and especially the upgrade button for the tank depot (which lots of newbies don't spot at all)...

So in the end you don't just have a more precise text and a more striking button for e.g. upgrading but also when you do a selection and you've got some mobile guns and some deployed ones you now can immediately see which button to click in order to deploy or mobilize the units...

And another final addition: Imo it's strange that the deployed russian supply truck has that Russian name - I'd either change it back to English or give e.g. the German one a German name too (as it afaik has no special name)...

I finally got a few games in, and it's awesome. Fast, without being frantic, and incredibly aggressive. Love the sound-effects too.

Now, on to the gripes/suggestions
1) I have a bug with icons. Probably a Spring engine bug - I usually only see the top-half of the unit icon.

2) Units need better descriptions. The unit descriptions nicely describe what they _are_, but not what they're for, or how to use them. Yes, I read the guide, but I don't keep it in front of me while I play, so including useful notes like "short-ranged anti-infantry" or "deployable long-ranged fixed-arc machinegun nest" or some kind of unit-help widget or something would be nice.

3) I can't tell units apart, or which side they're on, when viewing at close-enough-range to leave icon mode. Imho, the best solution would be an icon-widget that draws one icon for the whole squad, at the average of the locations for every unit in the squad (to the upper-right for single-squad units). You've already got morale-icons, so adding another icon wouldn't make the game icon-heavy.

edit: is there any way to control the facing of units? Because deploying machinegunners is a farking biatch.

I have icons pretty much off because I set the distance so high, I still <3ed it when I speced.

Pxtl: Im not really sure because i havent tested the lasted svn in 1 or 2 weeks, but i think that the lastest svn has a widget to control the direction of the units.

@Nemo : Yes, that is what i meant

Zerg added some functionality to the deploy gadget to set the heading of the unit (so you hit deploy and then give a direction).

A widget like you describe would be great, maybe I can poke flozi into doing it before we release next (with aircraft! and less stalemate!).

Also, spiked has edited a lot of the unit descriptions recently. I don't recall if that was pre-Konstantin or not, though.

fake dgun (or similar weapon), using a variation of the SET HEADING script we tried on fixed-arc guns a while back should do it. (ie give the d-gun/turn) order then deploy (possibly use the BA dgun lines drawer (its almost 1am, i swear i will explain this properly later Nemo)

and did you ever grab the version of props.lua that i modified for multiple props per unit?

can you release another version of the s44 map everyone plays with less speed metal kind of metal values?

he means kiev