Coolest thread evah

[bobthedinosaur]

Okay heres the deal. I helped do a few models for centurion way back when, and when he decided to quit the project for spring and move on I asked him for the content and if I could continue the mod. So he said I could go for it how ever the content he had to give was a real mess because one of his HD crashed and burned so he could only give me an older version of content instead of the latest working one (which I assume is lost).

So long story short, I have no time to mod this and I took a look at the content and am scared by its jumble. Most of the models come out transparent for some reason, but what he did finish was nice and I'd be willing to hand it over, however I don't know how I should release it sice it's not really my content, and the last thing I heard from him is permission to me to use it for continuing the gear mod. Now since then I've tried to contact him or find what game he might be modding but I haven't been able to get a hold of him, (last I heard he wasn't modding at all).

So how should I release it? It seems like such a waste if I don't use it, and he won't use it.

[KaiserJ]

would it be possible to release the models for use by other mods/games as placeholders up until the point that heavy gear is released?

that way his work is still protected; if he were to come back, then people using his models would be obligated to swap them out (if indeed that's what he wished) for a release of his game....

and if he never does return, then the spring community gets more models and content to use!

just an opinion post; if i suddenly disappeared, i think that this is what i'd approve of as far as using my stuff is concerned (and looking around the forum, seems like there are a few projects that really could benefit from having more models to use)

[Wolf-In-Exile]

Did centurion1 give any stipulations regarding the use and distribution of his models?

Unless he explicitly stated that you have permission to release it freely, I don't think you should do that. After all if he was ok with releasing his models in such a manner, i'd think he would have done it himself.

Better to be safe than have a pissed off guy demanding that the mod be shut down cause he didn't give permission for his work to be released publicly.

[bobthedinosaur]

hey wolf, long time no see...

but yeah i wont be able to do anything with them, and i think hes a reasonable guy. however because there is always a chance maybe the rights would be like volatile and possibly give up at any time he decides to show up and say NO. its like content rape. when they say no they mean no.

[Regret]

I don't get why people are so defensive about using content without permission, the community is not banning TA-ripped content so why care about some puny individual modelers when they don't give a damn about whole companies?

Just release it so it's not wasted sitting unused.

[smoth]

I don't get why people are so defensive about using content without permission, the community is not banning TA-ripped content so why care about some puny individual modelers when they don't give a damn about whole companies?

This attitude is exactly why I hate that the ta shit is allowed here. "we stole ta, we should steal other shit"

[Pressure Line]

Thats silly smoth. We all know that this community's unreasonable aversion to stealing anything that isn't nailed down limits the creativity of all those people who don't have the skill to make awesome content.

[/retarded]

smoth is right. its a bullshit attitude to have. sometimes i think it would be awesome if Atari waded in and said "You have 48 hours to cease all unauthorised distribution and use of TA content or we will begin legal proceedings." That would instantly stop all this stupid shit, and might bring about a nice change in people's attitude towards non-TA content.

For the record i personally have no particular problem with copyright infringement (software/movie/music piracy etc) especially when it relates to 'out of print' items (ie TA, but then again i have TA and CC so i could simply rip all that content myself if i needed to)

[ralphie]

yeah it would be awesome to completely kill off spring

[Neddie]

Bob: I have some content that is off da hook but it ain't mine, wat to do, dawgs?
Kaiser: Dude, why not release it as placeholda fodda?
Wolf: Wherez da will? No will, no inheritance!
Regret: HAIGUYZ, I lieks da trollin'! Let mah seed truths with shite! It is wasted, screw the law, I haz green hair und TA content!
Smoth: I dug your rap, stealing is rong!
PL: Srs, stealing is rong. Hyperbole attack Atari rights final end!
Ralphie: I haz no sarcasm detectors.
Neddie: TL;DR

If you can't get permission from Centurion to release his works, you shall not release them. Your contributions, however, remain your own to dispose of as you wish. Are you sure he didn't include any license content with the Heavy Gear work? I can't remember the last time I heard about the title.

[Pressure Line]

you got the tl:dr wrong. the hyperbole attack came first and it was actually a paraphrase of what happened in the Operation Polaris lisence thread.

[AF]

From what I see you now have free reign over the project. He said you were to carry it on, aka Here art thou content, it be yours now to develop. Release it and be done with it.

[bobthedinosaur]

Tell you what. Since it will obviously cause problems in the future, I'll just work on a version to release. Expect it in August 2020.
Lock thread plz
k thanx bai

[Neddie]

Well, you could ask for help...

[bobthedinosaur]

Well, no. I am uninterested in the mod. When centurion was working on it, I helped out, but it was his mod. I was merely hoping the content wouldn't go to waste. Now the content is not a working mod, it is some models and slightly working units inserted in an ota mod, that was a work in progress.
And since the majority of modders agree, I think it can safely sit on my hd and collect dust.
End of discussion.

[Argh]

1. Anything you did for this... is yours, unless you signed an agreement saying otherwise.

2. I'd be happy to fix stuff that's screwed up, at the very least, so that we know what we're talking about and what shape it's in.

3. Keep trying to get ahold of him.

4. Anything that's just Heavy Gear IP is probably not useful elsewhere, due to license issues.

CA can't take it, and I can't take it for World Builder. Nor can non-profit games that want to be CC-NC if not GPL or PD use it.

The only use is a Heavy Gear mod that will always be illegal to distribute, basically. Just the fact of the matter, and why we keep talking about this issue even though it drives good people like you, who have helped with a lot of things... a little crazy.

[Regret]

Idiots will remain idiots.

[Argh]

We all agree that the situation with OTA is hypocritical and precarious, but it's also the reality that if those games were banned, nobody would play Spring at all.

Or would they?

We'll never know, until a server that doesn't allow IP-infringing games to be played on it exists. I guess it's good that I'm going to have one available fairly soon. I don't know whether it'll be a successful experiment or not, but I'm going to try it, and put my time into getting people in there.

[lurker]

Just because you have such a server means nothing. It has to be a key server in the spring community, and not just the PURE community.

[Argh]

Who said anything about just P.U.R.E.?

[lurker]

I noticed a correlation between your timescale for a seperate PURE server and the timescale for a no-infringement server. That, the fact that I haven't heard anything about these plans and discussion with other non-infringing game developers, and the fact that a lot of them don't like you much.