WWII medical experiments performed by Japan and Germany

[KaiserJ]

what was learned by killing a lot of jews and chinese?

that more jews and chinese will spring up in their place.

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[PicassoCT]

That nukes are the only thing keeping humanity away from a fall back into self-destructive behaviour pattern, like they still go around in africa.

The Neighborhood tribe is evil, they were strange hats, weve got to defeat them, for exp, for improving the cubs and for robbing there wealth and woman (who, by a strange mistake, are not so evil). Im sorry for the loss of all those lives, just because there was no damoklesswoard over hitlers head.

"Californium begs for forgivness."

[Machete234]

While having brilliant engineers, german sience during ww2 was actually stagnating, and in some areas rather collapsing due to ideologic triumphing over reason.

But they invented jets, assualt rifles, modern warfare, rockets etc.
Without von braun the US maybe would have been on the moon later.

[Forboding Angel]

They would serve cake in hell..

Lies.

[zwzsg]

But they invented jets, assualt rifles, modern warfare, rockets etc.
Without von braun the US maybe would have been on the moon later.

It's ok to advance science through the killings of enemies soldiers, or even through the airborne killings of civilians in foreign cities.

But it is not ok to advance science through the torture of inmate in concentration camp.

There is a difference.

[Caydr]

First they came for the Nazis, and I said nothing, because Nazis are mostly from Texas...
Then they came for the Japanese, and I said nothing, because I already have 1.5 TB of anime saved up...

[Cheesecan]

First they came for the Nazis, and I said nothing, because Nazis are mostly from Texas...
Then they came for the Japanese, and I said nothing, because I already have 1.5 TB of anime saved up...

And then they came for the pixies, but as we all know the pixie dust is all that is keeping the earth's oceans alive, so without them we're all doomed.

[Machete234]

But they invented jets, assualt rifles, modern warfare, rockets etc.
Without von braun the US maybe would have been on the moon later.

It's ok to advance science through the killings of enemies soldiers, or even through the airborne killings of civilians in foreign cities.

But it is not ok to advance science through the torture of inmate in concentration camp.

There is a difference.

Im just saying its not the case that research or innovation were hurt because of a stupid ideology.
Dont take that out of context.

And in those tests they found out how quickly you freeze to death and thats is not that ground breaking.
Mostly this was just a very sadistic game and not real research.

If they had found out something really important I would understand that discussion.

[PicassoCT]

The invented the penis-centipede, so your arguments are all invalid.

[Panda]

This is an interesting topic. I'm going to use it one of my reflections for school on the nature of scientific knowledge and what makes skepticism legitimate.

[smoth]

what are you doing out of the -------!?!

[PicassoCT]

smoth, please assure the true thread, and not a cleaned up "version" is presented at pandas last presentation. And would you kindly record the reactions?

The end justify the means, so if the means in the end get justified, does this draw the conclusions, we need more nazi-experiments? Would the non-german personal please line-up for some final tests? We always wondered, could you fire a person, with a giant cannon into the sun?

[Panda]

I wasn't going to quote anyone or anything like that. I just wanted to use some of the information found in the articles and check that information, but this is still a good discussion thread in my opinion.

[yuritch]

...And in those tests they found out how quickly you freeze to death and thats is not that ground breaking.
Mostly this was just a very sadistic game and not real research.

AFAIK they were interested in means to save people who were taken out of icy water (pilots shot down over the ocean, sunk warship crews, etc.). They killed quite a number of prisoners for this research (who either froze to death or didn't survive "warming" attempts), but in the end they came up with a method which is still used today with relatively good results (as far as I know it involves putting a person in less cold water and slowly rising its temperature until it becomes the normal body temperature. If temp rise is too fast, person dies, so it took some tries and a number of deaths to find the right rate).
This is useful knowledge which can save lives, ignoring it won't revive all those prisoners.

[Gota]

Seems like a question that can be answered without actually putting people in danger.

[knorke]

Using prisoners for low temperature experiments has no sciencetific value if the persons are already malnourished etc.

Actually the only usefull result coming out of kz experiments seems to be "Sango Stop", a substance that stops bleeding. Found no good english links on it but you can guess how it was tested.
And they trained doctors and other personell on treating wounds or operations. That means take a healthy human, shot or otherwise wound him and then see what you can do. Possible some routines from that made it into modern medic but i doubt it.

[Machete234]

This is useful knowledge which can save lives, ignoring it won't revive all those prisoners.

If that is so it doesnt matter where the knowledge comes from.

[PicassoCT]

nazis invented cold-sleep, hid away in antarctica, and once the ice melts, guess whos back?

(Sounds like a joke, but part of this really made it into neo-nazi myths)

[Cheesecan]

You need to have an IQ below 80 to be a neo-nazi. It's like mensa for retards.

[Sgt Doom]

nazis invented cold-sleep, hid away in antarctica, and once the ice melts, guess whos back?

(Sounds like a joke, but part of this really made it into neo-nazi myths)

They still can't get over the fact Hitler's charred remains were thrown into the Elbe?