senna pretending to be ba

[Silentwings]

in general principle, as a discussion had before many times, one should not pretend to be someone else's stuff to steal players.

does anyone else think it's wrong for senna to title his maps things like
'delta siege dry BA still'
when they are barely BA.

[Jazcash]

I think it's wrong that maps should be allowed to change the mod at all. Maps should only ever be used as actual maps. If Senna wants to use all his useless gimmicky crap then he should use a mod for it. In fact, that's what he did, then he realised nobody would be bothered to dl an extra mod to play so he decided to hijack existing maps and titles to get players.

All of Senna's content is absolute trash however he gets more players than all of the stuff that's been worked on for years and years on end for a few simple reasons. As much as I dislike Senna for his crappy content and stealing all the players, he has some sense. He knows that hijacking a map or mods content and name, will get him more players.

Fortunately for him, Spring doesn't have any rules. You can do whatever you like and the only way to get punished is by each moderators personal standards and morals.

Senna is free to take any map or mod he likes, do whatever he likes with it and produce it to the public. If CA had any sense it would just copy DSD, Tabula and all the other maps, then it would host them on BA but make it CA through the map options. That's just if they want a big chunky newby playerbase though


Seriously, if I had any sort of power Senna would have been banned long ago for fraud? "YOU SHOULD HAVE REPORTED THIS" you say. Well consider this my report against Senna.

All Senna's copied content and maps with copied names should be deleted from life.

I also think that anybody in this community who wishes to copy another persons content within the community, they should request permission of everybody necessary first.

[Gota]

Hasn't this been discussed and decided upon already?
If I remmeber correctly it all eventually boiled down to judgment per specific case because the ratio of advantages versus disadvantages of a clear cut restriction on certain kinds of additions to maps was not clearly positive.

[Wombat]

inc behe and his 'delete topic' powah

[Beherith]

If I remember correctly the decision was to lose the dsd angle, but he could keep the name BA in the mod. I highly disagree with the map hijack, but its funny (and a bit sad) to see how its probably the second most played mod after BA.

[momfreeek]

there's 2 simple advantages to putting your mod in a map that should IMO be applied to mods:

1. You can't join a game unless you have the mod. Why is this? You can't play without the map anyway. Something to do with modoptions? but if i remember right you can put all this in a map anyway, so whats the difference? If this was fixed you could reserve your place in a game while dling as you can with maps. Also, you could join the gameroom and chat about the mod and suchlike without feeling like an outsider before you dl.

2. You have a suitable map to play on cause it comes with the mod. Why not allow a few default maps to be included in the mod so there's less thigns to dl? At least this would make mods with missions far simpler to package. It seems to make much more sense to be able to include maps within mods than the other way around.

I know neither of these addresses the fact that a mod/map name can be hijacked, but at least they would make it easier for players to get in a game with a new mod.

[Jazcash]

If I remember correctly the decision was to lose the dsd angle, but he could keep the name BA in the mod. I highly disagree with the map hijack, but its funny (and a bit sad) to see how its probably the second most played mod after BA.

So would you allow me to edit Mearth, change the typemap, get rid of the water and make it a metal map and call it Mearh V5?

[Gota]

Senna's mod and the way it is delivered is a product of the system.
In my opinion the success of Senna's mod after packing it with DSD demonstrates the flaws in the current way of sharing mods and maps.

Senna's players enjoy their games which means he is actually benefiting the community by creating a product that is desirable and our personal judgment about the product is irrelevant.

The issue is the way these products are delivered to the clients.
To deliver his enjoyable product he had to use DSD.
He might be a bit at fault here but we should not concentrate on how bad and evil senna is.
Instead we need to think about how to allow these projects to get to players easier.

I,for example,agree that players should be able to join a game without having the mod/map.
Any objections to this proposal?

[==Troy==]

As long as there is no infringement with the content licenses, and the only one that could be, is the DSD, since BA is illegal anyway, there is no problem with Senna and his mod.

Id rather personally stand this sort of "hijack" than loose the ability to include interactive stuff into maps.

[Jazcash]

Senna's mod and the way it is delivered is a product of the system.
In my opinion the success of Senna's mod after packing it with DSD demonstrates the flaws in the current way of sharing mods and maps.

Senna's players enjoy their games which means he is actually benefiting the community by creating a product that is desirable and our personal judgment about the product is irrelevant.

The issue is the way these products are delivered to the clients.
To deliver his enjoyable product he had to use DSD.
He might be a bit at fault here but we should not concentrate on how bad and evil senna is.
Instead we need to think about how to allow these projects to get to players easier.

I,for example,agree that players should be able to join a game without having the mod/map.
Any objections to this proposal?

Lets just rename every mod to BA and every map to DSD. Problem solved.

[Pxtl]

We need to be able to join games without having the mod - that would make this sort of thing easier to avoid. Senna's mod could then be packed as a mutator and be a tiny download of only a few K, without scaring people off in the lobby so much.

[Regret]

Senna's case is a failure and ignorance of moderation team.

No disrespect, but this is a blatant disruption of community allowed to go rampant when it could be easily dealt with.

[Jazcash]

Senna's case is a failure and ignorance of moderation team.

No disrespect, but this is a blatant disruption of community allowed to go rampant when it could be easily dealt with.

In a larger scale, this is how Political correctness is making the world stoopid. Because some old men don't want to be sued for misjudging or being unfair...

Here's my solution: If you don't like something, punch it in the face regardless of anything else happening in your life.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

[quote="Silentwings"]in general principle, as a discussion had before many times, one should not pretend to be someone else's stuff to steal players.

does anyone else think it's wrong for senna to title his maps things like
'delta siege dry BA still'
when they are barely BA.[/quote]
[quote="Regret"]Senna's case is a failure and ignorance of moderation team.

No disrespect, but this is a blatant disruption of community allowed to go rampant when it could be easily dealt with.[/quote]

yes, its designed to ensare idiots- but once said players are in the game, they are free to leave at any time. If they dont, they are willingly playing the mod. Its not hard to leave a game and not rejoin said map

BA dosnt have any god given right to own all the halfwit players so sennas dsd crap isnt 'stealing' them. I dont see a whole lot of diffrence between senna getting them to play this and them playing speedmetal, greenfields, 8v8 dsd or any other noob friendly perversion of TA; who gives


heh, actually, its about time we started packaging all the other big mods with DSD

[Wombat]

in the end senna might be called genious :D

most popular map + most popular map + and now, eco is free (whatever it means, i checked desc) ... sure noob success :)

[smoth]

Baw etc... who cares.

[Gota]

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[smoth]

it is just an indication of the stupidity of the user base. which is not something that could be prevented really.

Just get over it guys.

it isn't like there are not 4-5 other ba dsd servers.

[SirArtturi]

So, It is actually acceptable to diss Senna's doings?
Thank you guys...

[SirArtturi]

Afterall, that's all we can do? Smoke him out!!!!