Egad. "Moho" is a real word
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 06:05
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Egad. "Moho" is a real word
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Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 06:12
huh
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 06:42
Ofcourse, where do you think moho mine comes from?
Metal makers are a diferent story, odd there...
Metal makers are a diferent story, odd there...
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 06:43
Metal makers...err...nano...bots...and...fusion...reactors...errr
MAGIC!
MAGIC!
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 06:57
No, they drill down to the mohorovicic discontinuity
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:01
Sounds like treknobabble to me.
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:09
Well Moho's are obvious, but Metal Makers are MAGIC!
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:12
nope, they're just E=mc^2-rific, although the amount of energy you have to put into these metal makers is nowhere near what you'd really need to get that much metal out of them. That and the mode of action is mysterious. So yeah, Magic x2
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:27
but...FizWizz wrote:nope, they're just E=mc^2-rific, although the amount of energy you have to put into these metal makers is nowhere near what you'd really need to get that much metal out of them. That and the mode of action is mysterious. So yeah, Magic x2
Seing we dont have any other determination of what 1 unit of metal and 1 unit of energy is we use the metal makers to determine a correlation between the two.
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:31
Well Solar Power is rather difuse, so we can assume that 60 units of energy can't be much.
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:32
Clearly metal makers use Photonic arrays to force Tchovosky particles into a negatively polarized induction stream of ionized photons, this causes a reverse polarization of the main particle stream flux leading to the generation of the so called Strausman field. This field allows metal ions to be drawn out of the main particle steam flux from as the photons recombine to form new atoms..
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:34
In laymens terms: Magic.
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:38
Fair enough, although that would mean solar collecters pick up a ton of sun.FireCrack wrote:but...FizWizz wrote:nope, they're just E=mc^2-rific, although the amount of energy you have to put into these metal makers is nowhere near what you'd really need to get that much metal out of them. That and the mode of action is mysterious. So yeah, Magic x2
Seing we dont have any other determination of what 1 unit of metal and 1 unit of energy is we use the metal makers to determine a correlation between the two.
That still leaves the method of energy->matter conversion, therefore: MAGIC!
Back to the original topic though, it doesn't really surprise me that Total Annihilation got 'moho' from here.
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:41
I actually belive that the creater of the word Moho went FORWARDS in time and stole it from TA. Why? Cuase he had played it before (in the future that is) and loved the game, but wanted to steal the name. Why?
I don't know.
Any one else think Egads is a really cool word?
I don't know.
Any one else think Egads is a really cool word?
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 07:51
God plays TA?Zoombie wrote:I actually belive that the creater of the word Moho went FORWARDS in time and stole it from TA. Why? Cuase he had played it before (in the future that is) and loved the game, but wanted to steal the name. Why?
I don't know.
Any one else think Egads is a really cool word?
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 13:51
Yes. Yes I doZoombie wrote:Any one else think Egads is a really cool word?
and as far as the energy-matter conversion goes, bear in mind that when TA talks about 'metal' they don't mean huge blocks of iron etc (stuff like that is relatively commonplace) - it refers to small amounts of rare metals that are needed for certain complex electronics and so on.
Hence, that 60 energy might be being used to make 0.0000001kg of actual material, so I suppose it is feasible, though of course the 'how' is left out of the description.
EDIT: 0.0000001kg/sec (one thousanth of a gram per second) of material would still require 9GW of power (assuming that one game tick really does equal one second in the game world), and that's if we assume 100% efficiency...still, it would seem to be within the reach of futuristic energy sources...
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 14:19
If someone went into the future to take the word moho from TA then where did TA get it from for the person to steal it in the first place?
BTW solar panels take in EM radiation, not just visible light. There are solar tubes, and solarpanels that absorb light in the middle of the night by taking infrared and radio wavelengths emmited by surrounding objects aswell as normal visible light, and are much more efficienct than the variety we usually see.
As for creating metal from raw energy, why is it not possible that instead they're using that energy to seperate raw materials and recombine them as lighter nuclei? We can do that today with our current technology albeit it sint economically viable and is slow and very expensive, ehnce why it's only been done as research.
BTW solar panels take in EM radiation, not just visible light. There are solar tubes, and solarpanels that absorb light in the middle of the night by taking infrared and radio wavelengths emmited by surrounding objects aswell as normal visible light, and are much more efficienct than the variety we usually see.
As for creating metal from raw energy, why is it not possible that instead they're using that energy to seperate raw materials and recombine them as lighter nuclei? We can do that today with our current technology albeit it sint economically viable and is slow and very expensive, ehnce why it's only been done as research.
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 18:44
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%3Dmc%C2%B2#Practical_examples wrote: Practical examples
A kilogram of mass completely converts into
89,875,517,873,681,764 joules (exactly) or
24,965,421,632 kilowatt-hours or
21.48076431 megatons of TNT
approximately 0.0851900643 Quads (quadrillion British thermal units)
It is important to note that practical conversions of "mass" to energy are seldom 100 percent efficient. One theoretically perfect conversion would result from a collision of matter and antimatter; for most cases, byproducts are produced instead of energy, and therefore very little mass is actually converted. For example, in nuclear fission ca. 0.1% of the mass of fissioned atoms is converted to energy. In turn, the mass of fissioned atoms is only part of the mass of the fissionable material: e.g. in a nuclear fission weapon, the efficiency is 40% at most. In nuclear fusion ca. 0.3% of the mass of fused atoms is converted to energy.
In the equation, mass is energy, but for the sake of brevity, the word "converted" is used; in practice, one kind of energy is converted to another, but it continues to contribute mass to systems so long as it is trapped in them (active energy is associated with mass also, as seen by single observers). Thus, the total mass of any system is conserved and remains unchanged (for any single observer) unless energy (such as heat, light, or other radiation) is allowed to escape the system. In any cases, the use of the phrase "converted" is intended to signify energy which has gone from passive potential energy, into heat or kinetic energy which can be used to do work (as in a nuclear reactor or even in a heat-producing chemical reaction).
first of all, those solar collectors are larger then a commander... so they are big... second, the process of metal making might not be entirely synthesys... it could be a very complicated form of fission, converting any available resources into other metals.
also, on the subject of scale, you get about 50 units of energy from an entire tree... if this is a direct matter to energy conversion with even signifigant loss... making 50 units of energy represent an awful lot of energy.
another thing is the whole "nano-tech" factor here... I think we have plenty of fudge factor to go around to allow any kind of tech we want to add to our mods...
I now understand why the really REALLY tech level 3 extractors in KuroTA were called "Sub-Mantel Extractors" however.
Posted: 05 Jun 2006, 19:48
Caydr, You are trying to tell me taht you didn't know wabout the Mohovianic discontinuity zone? I've know about that since I was 13. (Becasue my geography teacher things we are all going to do geography for my A level. Dumbass.)
Posted: 06 Jun 2006, 03:23
I always assumed that metal makers fused smaller nucleii into useful metal...ie taking nitrogen from the atmosphere and turning it into metal. I think thisn would be realistic with modern technology given an incentive to develop it, and would require a lot of energy, but nowhere near e=mc^2SinbadEV wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%3Dmc%C2%B2#Practical_examples wrote: Practical examples
A kilogram of mass completely converts into
89,875,517,873,681,764 joules (exactly) or
24,965,421,632 kilowatt-hours or
21.48076431 megatons of TNT
approximately 0.0851900643 Quads (quadrillion British thermal units)
It is important to note that practical conversions of "mass" to energy are seldom 100 percent efficient. One theoretically perfect conversion would result from a collision of matter and antimatter; for most cases, byproducts are produced instead of energy, and therefore very little mass is actually converted. For example, in nuclear fission ca. 0.1% of the mass of fissioned atoms is converted to energy. In turn, the mass of fissioned atoms is only part of the mass of the fissionable material: e.g. in a nuclear fission weapon, the efficiency is 40% at most. In nuclear fusion ca. 0.3% of the mass of fused atoms is converted to energy.
In the equation, mass is energy, but for the sake of brevity, the word "converted" is used; in practice, one kind of energy is converted to another, but it continues to contribute mass to systems so long as it is trapped in them (active energy is associated with mass also, as seen by single observers). Thus, the total mass of any system is conserved and remains unchanged (for any single observer) unless energy (such as heat, light, or other radiation) is allowed to escape the system. In any cases, the use of the phrase "converted" is intended to signify energy which has gone from passive potential energy, into heat or kinetic energy which can be used to do work (as in a nuclear reactor or even in a heat-producing chemical reaction).
first of all, those solar collectors are larger then a commander... so they are big... second, the process of metal making might not be entirely synthesys... it could be a very complicated form of fission, converting any available resources into other metals.
also, on the subject of scale, you get about 50 units of energy from an entire tree... if this is a direct matter to energy conversion with even signifigant loss... making 50 units of energy represent an awful lot of energy.
another thing is the whole "nano-tech" factor here... I think we have plenty of fudge factor to go around to allow any kind of tech we want to add to our mods...
I now understand why the really REALLY tech level 3 extractors in KuroTA were called "Sub-Mantel Extractors" however.