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need some ideas for a new map ...
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 03:06
by genblood
Hi ALL,
My last two maps where different and some didn't like
them ...
So, I'm looking for ideas for my next map...
Do you want a water map or ground map .....?
What size map ... big or little ..... ?
Do you want buildings .... like farm houses ... grain towers
and stuff like that ...?
I plan on trying to make a map most will like ....
Post your comments .....
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 03:34
by Nemo
A true urban map would rock. As in, fighting in a dense CITY, where the buildings dwarf the units, and I can hide units behind buildings.
Your last map was a decent start, but it was far too spread out for the style of gameplay I'm hoping for. I'm talking about fighting block by block for valuble metal/geo areas.
Speaking of metal, any map that has three valuble areas (with two, each player can grab one and be equal, but with three one player will always have some advantage from having two) instead of just one in the middle would be very nice. I'm getting sick of the rush to the middle gameplay that 70% of maps demand. Besides, holding a single point is rather boring.
This means no more metal maps. Honestly, they all play the exact same way. Stop making them. Please. There are plenty as it is.
So yeah, a Spring map version of new york city, using semi-accurate models with enough buildings in a small enough area that the only way to see the entire map would be to flood the air with peepers, would be nice.
NYC is just an example. Any true urban map with more than one important strategic spot will make me happy.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 04:54
by Das Bruce
Please don't encorage him to make another urban map unless he's going to listen.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 05:35
by SwiftSpear
Id rather wait for the new map format for urban maps as large features will be properly supported. Imagine massive building complexes that destroy through multiple feature levels before they are acctually dust.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 05:56
by Maelstrom
What will the new map format do for features exactly? And smoth has already proven that the hit boxes are cubes (or rectangles, if you want to be picky), so I dont see the problem with making an urban map now, besides the lack of urban features.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 05:57
by SwiftSpear
Maelstrom wrote:What will the new map format do for features exactly? And smoth has already proven that the hit boxes are cubes (or rectangles, if you want to be picky), so I dont see the problem with making an urban map now, besides the lack of urban features.
I think planes won't read overly large hitboxes properly, hence why gorm was filling his big trees with land on his map.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 08:33
by smoth
CORRECT!
While the hitbox or whatever does actually work right.. as long as the building is upright.. ocassionally very tall features do blink out of sight. Also aircraft fly right through them instead of around.
Das Bruce wrote:Please don't encorage him to make another urban map unless he's going to listen.
heh, good luck...
Be nice... - moderator
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 09:04
by Das Bruce
So then it is possible... but will leave you bleeding and brain damaged on the floor?
Ya know, when I think about the last thread, that sounds about right.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 11:33
by BvDorp
Now be nice Bruce
An urban map would be awesome! Perhaps some C&C:Generals like map? Would be a huge project, but certainly fill a gap :)
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 13:23
by NOiZE
i would say try to spend more time on it. and try to get to perfection!
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 15:54
by AF
Make a map which looks completely radical, like nothing ever released for spring before. Make it truly unique, and rely heavily on a colourwheel for effect.
Also maybe a map that is designed fromt he very beginning around being atmospheric.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 17:30
by Guessmyname
Make a jungly/boggy map!
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 17:55
by Lindir The Green
Well, I want to see another riverdale-like map, with rolling hills and forests.
It might also be interesting to make a map where you actually have to find your opponent, but I havent figured out how to do that. Maybe have lots of hills that block radar and los and have there be no metal, so people just build a hidden base at an unknown location...
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 17:56
by Caydr
Caydr wrote:There are so many maps which are, to be honest, just not at all fun or well-designed. Too many people make a map just because they thought it'd be an interesting project or whatever. They have no real goal in mind, just "I wanna make a map that's k00lzo0rzz!". People need to actually have a plan in mind, like:
"I want to make a map that's playable in a 3-way FFA because there's just not a whole helluvah lot of 3-way FFA maps and I enjoy that kind of game. To keep my map from being redundant, I will:
a) have [very little/lots] of metal/have [very little/lots] of wind/have [very little/lots] of geothermal vents
b) features water in ways that would potentially open up previously unthought-of methods of attack
c) features unique terrain deviations
d) makes elegant use of typemap to make "highways" from one area to the next
e) have [low/high] gravity
d) give some players an advantage in metal while others have an advantage in energy
f) make clever use of terrain features
g) make a normally uncommon strategy more useful
h) have areas which can only be traversed with aircraft
i) have water that slowly damages units but which could possibly be used for getting the jump on someone by using amphibious units
j) be specially designed with one mod in mind because most maps don't play very well/convincingly with aforementioned mod
...and so on. Making maps for the sake of maps, just like making units for the sake of units, is counterproductive.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 21:12
by Chocapic
i call for a true urban map too
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 21:55
by Caydr
Don't ask for something he can't deliver. I doubt even the most experienced spring mapper could do a decent urban map, so don't ask a relative newcomer to do one.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 22:05
by SwiftSpear
Genblood has produced no less then a dozen maps Caydr, some of which are amounst the best looking TAS has seen so far. I agree with you that it would be beyond his capabilties, but that's more because of his inexperiance modeling things that acctually look good then because he hasn't done enough mapping work.
Posted: 20 Feb 2006, 22:17
by smoth
Caydr wrote:Don't I doubt even the most experienced spring mapper could do a decent urban map, so don't ask a relative newcomer to do one.
We'll see.... of course I am more then just a mapper.