Spring RTS Engine

http://replays.admin-box.com/replay/296 ... 7f270f133/ (orange dude)


It start happening early game, but is getting worse late game where I stay around +8kE -11kE, exceeding metal like crazy for 10 min, I cannot even build energy and I get "saved" only by allies sharing me energy.

IMO, energy construction should get priority #1 when E stalling after weapon firing and antinuke, but before anything else (including nuke, emp, etc...)

The only additional widgets I have are:

ui_mobile_anti_defence_range.lua
gui_toggleLos.lua
gui_unit_stats.lua radar_range.lua
unit_obedient_constructors.lua
unit_showbuild.lua

I don't understand whether this is a bug report or not ?

Did you have any storage?

yeah, that is a bug report, It happens mostly about the last 20 min of game

I have about 40k metal storage and E-storage always > E-production (I am familiar with SSM :) )


Basically the problem is that even I am supposed to be able to build 100 - (8-11)/8 *100 = 62 % of everything. I ended by not being able to build fusion (ETA = ?) and all building are build really slowly while other unit keep being produced about OK but still slow. Metal is flooding.

I watched the replay and saw nothing wrong. As far as I could see, you are simply trying to build more at once than you have E for -> you can't use all your metal income and the M builds up.

When your nanos are not helping to build (and you see "eta ???") it is because you have them on passive mode.

So, if you still think there is a bug here: please indicate precisely what time, where, what you think is the bug and what you expected to happen.

I guess it is not a bug then but a configuration problem:

How can I configure the widget so they stop doing what happen now:

When you E-stall, nano does not assist the build of fusion (thy just completely stop) but they assist factor building unit. So you can never increase your energy production apart from manually stopping all factory until you E-prod is more than you E-consumption.

1) Is there a default widget to deactivate to prevent that behavior ? I think the minimal should be that they allocate same amount of resources to each building. Apparently now, it gives priority to everything but fusion ?

2) May that should not be default BA behavior to prevent this to happen ?

EDIT: It looks like they is a bug there:

From 36min00 sec to 37 min 30 sec, so in 90 sec

I go from 30 k metal storage to 45 k metal storage (+15 k metal in 90 sec).

Still my E-prod is 8.5k (consumption -11.2k) : 32% stall
and my M-prod is +250 (consumption -312) : 25% stall

I should then get about 32-25 = 7% metal increase in 90 sec: 1.5 k metal ( 0.07 * 250 * 90 = 1.5 k) considering all building have about same E/M cost, but I get 15 k !!! which is 1 order of magnitude higher.

So there is definitely something wrong here.

FYI, none is share metal to me !

When you E-stall, nano does not assist the build of fusion (thy just completely stop) but they assist factor building unit.

This is not what happens; passive constructors use resources up only after the active constructors have taken their share, with no regard to what's being built by what.

I go from 30 k metal storage to 45 k metal storage (+15 k metal in 90 sec)...FYI, none is share metal to me !

During that time you were E stalling and consequently producing far more M than you could use; about 150-200 M per sec spare. 175*90 = 15750.

Still my E-prod is 8.5k (consumption -11.2k) : 32% stall
and my M-prod is +250 (consumption -312) : 25% stall

I should then get ....

The number you call 'consumption' is attempted consumption and is only equal to actual consumption when there is no second number displayed in red (which there is, for all that time).

The metal convertors will use E whenever you fill your E storage beyond the % specified by the position of the slider on the energy conversion widget. This position can be between 0% and 100%. The default position is 75%.

On frame 35537 (i.e. about 20 mins) you set that slider to 1% and the result is that your metal makers were always on and always trying to convert E at their full capacity. Result is that as soon as your E production dips below your attempted consumption, you get a massive E stall.

Summary: There is no bug, your metal convertors were doing exactly what you've told them too and they are the cause of your E stalls.

Silentwings wrote:On frame 35537 (i.e. about 20 mins) you set that slider to 1% and the result is that your metal makers were always on and always trying to convert E at their full capacity. Result is that as soon as your E production dips below your attempted consumption, you get a massive E stall.

I just had no idea I did that...

I never notice that panel. What the name of the widget to remove it ?

Energy conversion info :) The panel will only show when you are a player.