Spring RTS Engine

I cant find the Helpers Ai in the Menu Anymore ?

Only my Problem or a changer ?

When it is only my Problem, please help me

If it was a Change, give me the Name of those wo had this ****** Idea

was a change when going from 0.78 to 0.79.
the reason for it was to easy development of hte new AI interface, and the overall consensus that widgets could do the trick just as good.

Hi,

hoijui wrote:was a change when going from 0.78 to 0.79.
the reason for it was to easy development of hte new AI interface, and the overall consensus that widgets could do the trick just as good.

i disagree with this (partly) .. sorry
The widgets is ATM and IMHO only a ALL units or none unit switch.
You cant select which units get the helper AI or which not.
On the old system you select for the units YOU like the helper AI and
only THIS units have it active.
With the new widget based system - if you activate the helper widget,
ALL units act now as helper AI active - if you like it or not.
This the reason i dont use this widgets anymore.

This is still a field who need improvements ....

Regards
R-TEAM

Thanks for the Information ....

Coud i have an explaination how to undo this ?


And if that is not possible, i need a link to the Version without this Change, im not eabel to find it.

R-TEAM wrote:Hi,

hoijui wrote:was a change when going from 0.78 to 0.79.
the reason for it was to easy development of hte new AI interface, and the overall consensus that widgets could do the trick just as good.

i disagree with this (partly) .. sorry
The widgets is ATM and IMHO only a ALL units or none unit switch.
You cant select which units get the helper AI or which not.
On the old system you select for the units YOU like the helper AI and
only THIS units have it active.
With the new widget based system - if you activate the helper widget,
ALL units act now as helper AI active - if you like it or not.
This the reason i dont use this widgets anymore.

This is still a field who need improvements ....

Regards
R-TEAM

you can get the selected unit in a widget too you know

a widget could be developed to assign a group of units to an arbitrary group and then only affect their behavior... I understand why the change was made but I do see that without accurate replacement widgets replacing the missing helper AIs functionality there would be some upsetting involved...

When you take these off the game it would make sense to make widgets that perform the same thing...

JohannesH wrote:When you take these off the game it would make sense to make widgets that perform the same thing...

Since no one made them yet, I guess no one is really interested in it.

iph8x wrote:Coud i have an explaination how to undo this ?

You can't

iph8x wrote:And if that is not possible, i need a link to the Version without this Change, im not eabel to find it.

You could download a version < 0.79, but you won't be able to play online with it.

R-TEAM wrote:The widgets is ATM and IMHO only a ALL units or none unit switch.

Your opinion is so humble it's incorrect.

You can't

Why i cant ? I thorgh Spring is Open Source.

iph8x wrote:

You can't

Why i cant ? I thorgh Spring is Open Source.

To be specific, you can't play with others using the latest spring (as was stated). But if you have enough skills to work on the source then you have more than enough skills to build a few lua widgets to do what you want which would benefit everyone and be much much easier.

Also, see this thread: http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... 77#p354177

R-TEAM wrote: i disagree with this (partly) .. sorry
The widgets is ATM and IMHO only a ALL units or none unit switch.
You cant select which units get the helper AI or which not.
On the old system you select for the units YOU like the helper AI and
only THIS units have it active.
With the new widget based system - if you activate the helper widget,
ALL units act now as helper AI active - if you like it or not.
This the reason i dont use this widgets anymore.

This is still a field who need improvements ....

signing your post is considered across the internet as obnoxious.

also your complaints all need to be directed at guy who made the widget. The widget can get current selected unit(s). so your whole point is moot.

*edit:*

@OP: it would just be easier if you wrote said widget...
What is the ai you are missing so much? Name it.

Which AIs do you want? I think all the functionality is possible with lua.

But not everybody is a Lua coder able to write his own widgets.

groupais do nothing widgets dont or cant

Group AIs did thing that no widgets currently do.

What can be done with widgets is irrelevant. It's about what has been done with widgets.

Some people came here to play the game, not code it.

shouldnt this be in the AI forum?

Hi,

i would like to see follow widgets as a version with unit selectable code.
(only the Units I select get the widget) :

Auto Skirm/Swarm/Repair
Immobile Builders
Improved MetalMakers
Smart Nanos
Unit Mover

and the next widget wold be nice to work only on selectet Air-Fabs:
Only Fighter Patrols

This is "my" wish list to this thing.
(ATM )

Regards
R-TEAM

smoth wrote:signing your post is considered across the internet as obnoxious.

Actually its hilarious because R-TEAM takes himself so srsly. Hes not even a person HES A WHOLE TEAM :D

Or maybe its just you who takes him seriously?