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Interesting Definition

Posted: 26 Oct 2009, 04:01
by MidKnight
This thread isn't in response to any recent uses of this term. I just, however, realized that some people I've had the bittersweet pleasure of arguing with have used the term itself, without the correct context, as a straw man. Very interesting.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 26 Oct 2009, 05:29
by Forboding Angel
Imo, the term itself is stupid. If the argument doesn't hold water, then it doesn't hold water. Don't designate it it's own ridiculous term.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 26 Oct 2009, 05:37
by Das Bruce
Read the article again please Forb.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 26 Oct 2009, 06:12
by Forboding Angel
I read it, but I still think that euphemisms for saying "Your Argument Sucks" are stupid.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 26 Oct 2009, 07:18
by JohannesH
So I should just say "Your Argument Sucks" and leave it at that? Cause if it sucks it just sucks, simple.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 26 Oct 2009, 07:20
by Forboding Angel
Pretty much, and then we debate on the argument. See? Easy peazy!

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 26 Oct 2009, 08:30
by Das Bruce
Forboding Angel wrote:I read it, but I still think that euphemisms for saying "Your Argument Sucks" are stupid.
No it's "Your Argument Sucks Because...", it's important to point out where fallacies have occured and how to avoid making them or counter somebody using them.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 26 Oct 2009, 08:38
by aegis
Das Bruce wrote:
Forboding Angel wrote:I read it, but I still think that euphemisms for saying "Your Argument Sucks" are stupid.
No it's "Your Argument Sucks Because...", it's important to point out where fallacies have occured and how to avoid making them or counter somebody using them.
your argument sucks

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 26 Oct 2009, 14:24
by ralphie
lets argue about arguing

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 01:21
by MidKnight
ralphie wrote:lets argue about arguing
Nice straw man.

BTW:'Your argument sucks because...' isn't the definition the page gives. It's more like
'I think pie tastes good, as it is creamy and sweet'
'I disagree, cream isn't that delicious.'

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 02:24
by Das Bruce
MidKnight wrote:
ralphie wrote:lets argue about arguing
Nice straw man.

BTW:'Your argument sucks because...' isn't the definition the page gives.
We were speaking more generally about logical fallacies, rather than this one in particular.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 03:18
by Forboding Angel
At this point, "Straw Man" has become a cliche.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 04:15
by Das Bruce
Cliche refers to artistic works. Just because you're sick of hearing something doesn't make it a cliche.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 04:25
by MidKnight
Das Bruce wrote:Cliche refers to artistic works. Just because you're sick of hearing something doesn't make it a cliche.
Nice straw man.

Straw man would make a cool meme. :|

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 04:50
by Das Bruce
Wait, that was a strawman?

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 04:56
by smoth
gundam

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 05:05
by JohannesH
smoth wrote:gundam
your argument sucks

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 09:52
by Neddie
JohannesH wrote:
smoth wrote:gundam
your argument sucks
I disagree, suck doesn't suck.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 16:01
by Gota
Image
Howdy.
I am now a meme.

Re: Interesting Definition

Posted: 27 Oct 2009, 16:10
by Pxtl
Image

/hotlinked.