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Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 10:08
by REVENGE
Now that Alpha is actually open for public usage, I'd like to share some first thoughts on the usefulness of this search engine.

First of all, describing it as a "computational knowledge engine" is fairly accurate. Imagine it as the core functionality of Mathematica coupled with an encyclopedia of facts and figures, wrapped in a natural language interpreter. As a student, it's usefulness is immense.

For example, I could input "Integrate(ln(sin(x^2)))", and Alpha will spit out a useful set of output, including a plot of the integral, and a series expansion since the indefinite integral can't be exactly defined. Although functionally, it's not as powerful as full fledged Mathematica, it is both easier to use and more importantly, free. It's also available anywhere I can access the internet with an HTML browser, meaning I could use it at an internet kiosk, or on my smartphone / MID.

I can type in natural language names of scientific constants, etc, and the engine will automatically try and match values for me, and perform any calculations I specify. For example, I tried "(mass of the earth)/(Mass of the Milky Way Galaxy)*(electron mass / elementary charge)*(human population)"

Nearly every common term I input returns a useful set of data. If I search "milk", I get a comprehensive list of physical properties and nutritional information. If I type "emmanuel", I get statistics on its use as a common name in the US, including the estimated fractional distribution of people in the US with that name, the estimated number of people alive with that name, etc etc.

And then there's the obvious comparison that is made between it and Google. Well, let me explain, that essentially, there is no comparison. Clearly, each engine serves its own purpose, with Google being an engine to search the web for web page content, and Wolfram Alpha an engine to gather data on subjects and/or do computational work.

Finally, Alpha is still somewhat limited in terms of the search terms it will recognize. For example, a search for "boston celtics" or "los angeles lakers" doesn't turn up any information / statistics at all. It's definitely still a work in progress, but it is also fairly impressive as it is.

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 10:09
by REVENGE
Oh, and also.

EDIT: And holy fuck, its "Mathematica" capabilities are much more expansive that I suspected!

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 14:50
by AF
It has no concept of moomins, I cried

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 16:06
by SinbadEV

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 16:42
by Otherside

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 18:39
by bobthedinosaur
ba wins

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 19:23
by TheMightyOne
REVENGE wrote:Oh, and also.

EDIT: And holy fuck, its "Mathematica" capabilities are much more expansive that I suspected!
LOL, nice ! :mrgreen:

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 21:05
by bashar
Interesting concept ; tho I'm not sure you can use it in real life except to give it a try.

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 22:49
by Gota
Usefull stuff.

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 18 May 2009, 23:00
by imbaczek
extremly useful in not doing maths homework. otherwise, neat but probably not so useful.

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 19 May 2009, 15:01
by jcnossen
yeah, we're probably the last generation that learned proper calculus. In 10 years, all that matters is whether students are able to use wolfram alpha.

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 19 May 2009, 15:04
by REVENGE
jcnossen wrote:yeah, we're probably the last generation that learned proper calculus. In 10 years, all that matters is whether students are able to use wolfram alpha.
Have fun doing stuff like finding the determinant of a 5x5 matrix. Or doing a Fourier expansion with more than 10 terms.

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 19 May 2009, 16:14
by Erom
jcnossen wrote:yeah, we're probably the last generation that learned proper calculus. In 10 years, all that matters is whether students are able to use wolfram alpha.
That's what they said about slide rules, and about calculators that could do symbolic integration, and about google, ect. Just another tool - if you don't know the underlying theory, the truth will out - unless you're planning on providing w.a. on exams, and even then a clever teacher should be able to craft insightful questions.

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 19 May 2009, 17:42
by CarRepairer
Erom wrote:
jcnossen wrote:yeah, we're probably the last generation that learned proper calculus. In 10 years, all that matters is whether students are able to use wolfram alpha.
That's what they said about slide rules, and about calculators that could do symbolic integration, and about google, ect. Just another tool - if you don't know the underlying theory, the truth will out - unless you're planning on providing w.a. on exams, and even then a clever teacher should be able to craft insightful questions.
Well this is why (when I went anyway) written exams were worth 50-80% of the grade.

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 19 May 2009, 18:31
by PicassoCT
Is there a way to exploit glitches? Can we crash it by endless calculating? DNS Questions anyone? This is the Intertubes, we have a nasty Reputation to loose..

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 19 May 2009, 18:38
by TheFatController

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 19 May 2009, 19:01
by lurker
But what do the terms stand for D:
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Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 19 May 2009, 20:50
by JohannesH
lurker wrote:But what do the terms stand for D:
C15H12F3NO4S
(5-cyclopropyl-1,2-oxazol-4-yl)-[2-methylsulfonyl-4-(trifluoromethyl)phenyl]methanone

Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 23 May 2009, 18:31
by rattle
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Re: Wolfram Alpha Revisited

Posted: 24 May 2009, 00:58
by PicassoCT
It didn┬┤t get me something faster as light
it didn┬┤t deliver a winner when aksed for gametheory competition vs cooperation
it didn┬┤t recognize itself with the words i compute therefore i am ...
i admit it will be funny once you add a battle function like google has it..

eurofags vs. amerifags.. now beating each other with demographic statistics (it doesen┬┤t conclude anything- even doesen`t show the AgePyramids.. that machine is a very good calculator... nothing more)

I admit im impressed by it┬┤s use for statistic work... for students this is a goldmine, especially as it overs full acess to its sourcess, making it easy to get proof to quote