Spring RTS Engine

Remote mines.

Self Explanatory. Easily achievable.

Tedious micro. Already implemented in engine - do it in your mod.

ctrl d? with 0 sec timer?

You mean mines that need manual detonation or what? Easy to do, I sometimes detonate mines manually already, there's a reason they have such a short selfD timer.

I meant as oppose to proximity mines, they wouldn't explode automatically.
So people can't just run scouts at them to clear the fields

I wasn't aware mines generally have shorter self-d timers.

so its probably worth ignoring this topic.

It already can be done with what the engine haves, it isnt done because it would be OP... (at least in BA and CA you cant set your mines to not explode upon enemy aproach and thus cannot make em remote)

Heh, this is extremely easy, take a mines weapon away, give it a shorter timer, then give it a decent self D explosion.

Snipawolf wrote:Heh, this is extremely easy, take a mines weapon away, give it a shorter timer, then give it a decent self D explosion.

This works.

Can any1 tell me why we can't put mines on Hold Fire? It used to work....

NOiZE wrote:Can any1 tell me why we can't put mines on Hold Fire? It used to work....

Cause you dont have that option with mines. I think they removed it because it would be too OP, like: In Delta Siege dry, for example, you could send a minelayers make a lot of heavy mines in one spot somewhere along the path of metal extractors and set then on hold fire, then detonate then the enemy com passed over then. You could even wait till your enemy had built their front upon it and then blast out.

I think that mines with timer (low times) would be a good idea... so, like, the enemy group would have some time to go even deeper in the minefield before the first to be activated detonated revealing the trap. Would make mines a lot more interesting :)

I think you should be able to set them as hold fire. Doing all that stuff would require micro and paying attention, and thus would not be OP.

LordMatt wrote:I think you should be able to set them as hold fire. Doing all that stuff would require micro and paying attention, and thus would not be OP.

Micro? You would just need to select then once and add then to a group and set then to hold fire, then later on the game detonate it from under the enemy stuff... you would only need attention if you made a commy trap...

LordMatt wrote:I think you should be able to set them as hold fire. Doing all that stuff would require micro and paying attention, and thus would not be OP.

yes maek patch!!!! it used to work in earlier versions of spring!!!

NOiZE wrote: yes maek patch!!!! it used to work in earlier versions of spring!!!

This sounds like a job for...bumbadumbumbum...ILMTitan.

Wow. So the change that disabled this was r220, made in 2005, and the commit log only talks about syncing up with the old CVS trunk. Given that we now have the noAutoFire fbi tag, I think we can probably safely add this back in.

Edit: and by we I mean I.

If you make mines use a weapon to self-destruct you can change their behaviour in many ways. Bugbombs in KPC could be put on hold fire, for example.

The question basic question: is adding an fbi tag such as minefirecontrol(boolean) worse than forcing mine firing to be linked to a weapon to get the same simple utility?

I am leaning towards no.

ILMTitan wrote:The question basic question: is adding an fbi tag such as minefirecontrol(boolean) worse than forcing mine firing to be linked to a weapon to get the same simple utility?

I am leaning towards no.

I'm sure there are a million opinions from the modding community, but I'm happy you're adding it back in.

It is done, r5458. New tag is KamikazeFireControl. Defaults to false (keeping existing behavior the same).

ILMTitan wrote:It is done, r5458. New tag is KamikazeFireControl. Defaults to false (keeping existing behavior the same).

Not to bash implemented code (a tag-soup fix is better than no fix) but isn't there already a tag to optionally hide/show the firecontrol buttons? Why make a seperate tag for kamikazes?