Spring RTS Engine

You agree? If so do you think its a good or a bad thing?
My opinion is that TA based mods should retain a more realistic look
unlike some effects i have seen in complete annihilation for example.
discuss.

Its hard to look realistic when we have so few good modellers at work and lots of models that are still in the 1997 era.

I think it's a good thing. However, if you find them too flashy, too toyish, then ask Argh his effects, they are nice and fairly realistic:

As long as there be consistence (not real and toyish mixed) its fine by me :)

IMO Argh's effects look cartoony.

I imagine some part of it is simply due to the fact that spring doesn't support the quality of textures and effects that games like supreme commands do.

Supreme commander is far from realistic, they've made concious efforts to move towards a particular style.

Quality of effects in SUPCOM? Don't make me laugh. Company of Heroes, yeah, probably hard to impossible but Supcom? Supcom is mostly white flashes, even the nuke looks like crap (big white flash with a dark sphere rising from it).

since when anyone should listen to YAN?

Srsly.

We have the power, either way, I figure you're allowed to pursue your own artistic desires.

By the power of Grayskull...

neddiedrow wrote:We have the power

neddiedrow wrote:We have the power, either way, I figure you're allowed to pursue your own artistic desires.

Unleash you are planning to put a santa claus hat on BAs commy... what the mod devs did I find it anyoing ever time I play... :)

manored wrote:

neddiedrow wrote:We have the power, either way, I figure you're allowed to pursue your own artistic desires.

Unleash you are planning to put a santa claus hat on BAs commy... what the mod devs did I find it anyoing ever time I play... :)

a: don't even go near christmas comet then :)

b: turn off LUPS (f11) that makes the hats go bye-bye!

they do look too toyish, fix them.

ps. on a serious note

the overall game look in 1997 was way more realistic, probably because sprites were used so much. People think so highly of the 3d polygons we have nowadays but sprites really did look good in their own way.

I think spring has too clean of a look compared to then.

Sprites tended to be animated in much more compelling and effective ways. When 3D is WELL animated it's a great platform, but frankly, animation quality > item shape realism. Things like waving capes and what not were much more convincing and easy done with sprites than polygonal modeling can handle.

SwiftSpear wrote:Sprites tended to be animated in much more compelling and effective ways. When 3D is WELL animated it's a great platform, but frankly, animation quality > item shape realism. Things like waving capes and what not were much more convincing and easy done with sprites than polygonal modeling can handle.

Indeed. This man speaks my language.

Besides animations being better, they also had the advantage that you never saw the horrible models or holes and used very nice effects.

I like the toyish look of CA. Machios loadscreens are hilarious and his little cartoons are great, and the TA units were always CUUUUUUUUUUUTE. I mean look at the hammer. He waddles. CUUUUTE.

You could almost draw anime eyes on most of the OTA units. OTA was not realistic, it was iconic and cartoonish, with exaggerated features and cute little 'weee' noizes.

Machios cartoons take that to another degree, and honestly, i think its the perfect kind of tongue-in-cheek style that you rarely see in 'serious' commercial games.

KDR, while generally I agree with you, I thought I'd correct you in that in SupCom, only one side has the white flash with the rising sphere for their nuke. Each faction has a different nuke explosion, and the UEF one is a fairly standard mushroom cloud, IIRC.

Warlord Zsinj wrote:KDR, while generally I agree with you, I thought I'd correct you in that in SupCom, only one side has the white flash with the rising sphere for their nuke. Each faction has a different nuke explosion, and the UEF one is a fairly standard mushroom cloud, IIRC.

Yeah, I don't think I've used non-UEF nukes since the Beta, the game just slows down way too much by the time T2 is reached so I can't be arsed to wait for a nuke silo to finish building.