Spring RTS Engine

Since I am unable to rebut all that was said about me and I am rather tired of explaining to person after person.


First and foremost, I do not blame any of the Ta-mods for gundam's lack of "success." I my eyes gundam is very successful, few other projects have gotten this far and frankly I am happy with the progress gundam has made. I feel it has accomplished more then any gundam mod I have ever seen and it is better then any gundam game I have ever played(save gundam wing endless duel).

Now with that out of the way.

I mention gundam frequently because it is my project and I am excited about it. If I wasn't I would have quit long ago. Each item completed is a very exciting thing as it moves me towards my goal. Now this also means that almost any example I give will be a gundam unit or something related to gundam because I am very familiar with it.

Also, many people ask why I do not want a fanbase or people to play gundam. I do not like the ego that comes with fanboys and I hate sorting through biased posts. I also hate the pressure that comes with a successful project. Back when I did the shogo thing DTM and TowArena were the two most popular mods. There was a lot of drama and a lot of pressure being on the top of those piles of people. I hated all of the pressure as I have enough pressure to deal with. So having a relatively low profile is good.

I like the fact that I am kinda a fixture around here but not one that people often make a big deal about. I like helping other projects and I like to see spring along. I dislike the attitude of many people when they say they feel that this is TA engine 2.0. I want all of the projects to be played. I support EE because out of those projects it is the most complete and 1944 will get my support soon as well. Yet, I am perfectly happy not doing a lot for gundam.

Yet why do I make efforts with videos and post pics of progress? Well frankly because Gundam does have some fans and I need to consider them. I am happy they like the project and I feel a need to let them know I am working on it. I just do not give all of it away because I like surprising people in a release.

So, the project completed my 1.0 design doc? CHECK
So, Do I think it is fun to play? CHECK
So, Does it have Norris and char? CHECK

That means I think it is a success. It will continue to get better as I approach the 2.0 design doc. I look forward to that and if life is good there may be a 3.0 but I am not saying anything until after 2.0├óÔé¼┬ª. just like 1.0.

So there, I hope I covered it all. I have said this many other times but digging up the posts is so tedious and I do not like doing all that digging so I can provide the quote again. Now any questions? Because this is your only chance to ask them!

What would you rate yourself out of 10 on a spring moder chart?

Have fun, this is pretty damn hard, all things considered.

So you talking about Gundam is like a guy talking endlessly about how great his new girlfreind is?

Cause I can understand that. Did I ever tell you how great my new girlfreind is? Cuase she's pretty great...


Wait you have Chuck Norris in there? I haven't found him...gotta look harder.

snipa, that isn't a very fair assesment, that would assume that I am better or worse. I like to think we have many very skilled people here... I can say I am impressed with: KDR, ZWZSG and Quantum the most but that also leaves out fang and spiked who are also doing interesting things.

I will say that I do well and that is the most you are going to hear from me. I'd rather not put down anyone by saying a number.

I myself don't rate the content developers I mingle with in this community if I can help it. They've all taught me a little, though I have released nothing thus far on any front.

However, as someone who plays Gundam among an array of other games on the Spring engine, I deem it one of the most successful games here, and I certainly enjoy it.

Anyway, I want to stress this.

I want all of the projects to be played.

There are many in this community who hold this idea in their minds, and it needs emphasis. We mean it.

I think its ridiculous that you apologize for mentioning your mod. Obviously you shouldn't derail other mod's threads (not saying that you do) but other than that i think you should mention gundam in any ocasion you deem fit. If anyone complains, slowly deploy your middle finger. Really, maybe im the crazy one here, but after all the work you had doing the mod, the notion that you avoid talking about your work on the very engine's forums, because it might bother a couple special little snowflakes is, well, laughable.

I learned about the existence of gundam for some post you did a long long time ago when i started lurking here. Furthermore, on a recent post you made you linked to an official gundam website (who knew!?) where you have great screenshots and a unit guide that had me salivating to play gundam.

It is my hope one day you'll post where those elusive gundam players are so that they can kick my butt. I think you should adopt a more mainstream modder attitude and try to get gundam played like the other mods. Set up an autoserver, play it yourself with your friends so that ppl will understand that your mod exists and can be played. Make a more complete release post in the mod forum and lose the elitist attitude. Your work deserves it. And i dont even like anime much.

neddiedrow wrote:

I want all of the projects to be played.

There are many in this community who hold this idea in their minds, and it needs emphasis. We mean it.

Maybe in your community many hold this idea in their mind, but in actual lobby playerbase, very few hold this idea in their act. So either that community you speak of is a very distinct population from the players, either the distance between the though and the act is too great.

Personnaly, I don't want all projects to be equally played. It is my belief the good ones should be played more! Where good is entirely subjective to my own bias, and the exact determination of which projects deserve to be played a potential ground for much flamewar.

Ultimately the breath and fire of spring is that it plays TA content. If spring wasn't "3D TA" it probably would have a fraction of the popularity is has today... That being said, it might also be a much more fun engine to play with... And then again, who knows what developers would/wouldn't be here based on the popularity of the spring project.

I encourage all modders to stick with it... Ultimately, expect that you're not going to beat out TA content with stuff, even well designed and well meaning, that one guy came up with. But keep at it, there's alot of people who will try your projects and who will really like what you're doing.

All that matters is that you enjoy your own mod. Screw what anyone else thinks. 99% of modders decide to make their mod to create a game that they'll enjoy. Those that don't deserve to fail.

Gundam in an rts, who cares what others think, its coool!

CautionToTheWind wrote:I think its ridiculous that you apologize for mentioning your mod. Obviously you shouldn't derail other mod's threads (not saying that you do) but other than that i think you should mention gundam in any ocasion you deem fit. If anyone complains, slowly deploy your middle finger. Really, maybe im the crazy one here, but after all the work you had doing the mod, the notion that you avoid talking about your work on the very engine's forums, because it might bother a couple special little snowflakes is, well, laughable.

You see, it's not that he mentions his mod, it's how. In the release post of Gundam 1.11, where he should have pimped his mod with nice screenshots, strategies, changelogs, effect shots, whatever, he was just complaining that nobody gave a damn about his mod anyway. But then he makes meta-threads like this, where he talks about talking about his mod, where be basically complains that everybody is hating on his mod.

You see, smoth doesn't want to appear to advertise for his mod. Because if he was seen advertising, and nobody was playing it, he would seem like a failure. So he claims he doesn't want a playerbase, doesn't make a proper release thread after working on a new version for forever, doesn't have an autohost set up, doesn't spam main about his new release, doesn't do all the advertising stuff. Compare that to what the CA guys are doing to promote their mod, and you'll see the difference. Hell, compare the first post in the Kernel Panic Thread with the first one in the Gundam one. Or look at the hype the 1944 guys are building up around their mod.

By doing stuf that way, he thinks he can appear to be the lone underdog, making a mod for himself, and that everybody who plays is just discovered the gem all by themselves, oppressed by the evil TA players. He has allied a group of friends who all are in the same role, as in are making mods that nobody plays, they made their own forum where they can all stay in their own world of delusion, detached from the people they say they help, patting each other on their backs and telling each other it's all about the art, not about people actually playing what you made.

And then somehow, he wants you to believe he can twist the complete failure of taking a famous franchise, investing hundreds of hours into a game about it that's free and can draw somewhat from an established community, and having nobody at all play it, into a feeling of success.

Because in the end, what good is a multiplayer game if you can't find people to play it with?

Well I always thought Smoth was pretty sucsessful.

Boirunner wrote:...

And because of the exact wording of your post, I can, with 98.6333% accuracy, deduce that you have a closet full of green boxers.

TheRegisteredOne wrote:

Boirunner wrote:...

And because of the exact wording of your post, I can, with 98.6333% accuracy, deduce that you have a closet full of green boxers.

Uh ... what

metathreads are fail.

Boirunner wrote: bla bla bla bla bla bla...

your stereotypical viewpoint of smoth and his friends, us, is very irritating.
I'm not a gundam fan, I don't play gundam... I help test it with smoth, and help him critique it so that it gets better, I'm helping him produce it. We mod, draw maps, and build over there becuase we get less heat from the trolls that are you. We actually get things done. And we do it, because we ENJOY IT.

for you to label all of us as a group of mindless loathers who walk around all day all "emo" and what the crap else you stuffed in there pisses me off.

Just go away from this thread if you can't say anything but hateful crap. there was a wonderful saying that I hope your parents taught you that you recently forgot what it means, and how to follow it, and it went like this:

-"If you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say nothing at all."

Now heed to that advice, it'll make you a better person.

LathanStanley wrote:

Boirunner wrote: bla bla bla bla bla bla...

a bunch of stuff

-"If you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say nothing at all."

Now heed to that advice, it'll make you a better person.

isn't the whole point of what this thread has become to say not-nice things about other people in the first place

Tombom you're off the hook, we've got a new target for spleen-eating now :)

no boirunner, your post is the exact reason for this one. Yours and people who are like you. I am so tired to explaining it to you. I have had sucess as you define it and I do not want it. Sucess in your eyes means I have a rabid fanbase who is waiting for my next release. Sucess means that changes I make will be met with frothing rage and piles of text that I will have to sort through.

no there is no gundam development conspiracy, there is no conspiracy to make it popular. I simply do not want and cannot deal with the pressure that comes from a large fanbase. Seriously, so stop thinking I care stop badmouthing me, just because YOU want me gone doesn't mean I am leaving so give up the ghost and move on.

This post isn't made as a feel sorry for smoth post. I have a lot of really good things in my own life. None of which is your business but I have it pretty good outside of some university drama. This post is here to address you and others who have these sort of nutjob conspiracie theories.

Lets also take into account that I have no tutorial missions, no how to play guides. I have a unit guide for those who are already playing spring and want to see gundam. That exists because it is a polite thing for the people who like gundam. As I said it is a courtesy. So if I ever draw in a player base half of the poor guys are going to be tutoring the new players on spring. Not even to mention gundam's own brand of econ.

Why no tutorials smoth? Because the econ is not done. I have to settle on a final econ and ui which has not been started. It is that simple.

So look, I understand you have a personal vendetta with me but you have already said you were not going to bother me any further. So stop, you have no reason to continue this behavior and frankly I am tired of all the libel. I do not like all of the attention but people like yourself spread these rumors and I cannot leave them withour a rebutal because people WILL believe it is true. So stop.

It appears that this communtity is divded, between us as modders and the players *cough*stuipid Americans*cough* it's just ridiculous that everyone play one set of mods, and completely ignore our mods, yours most of all smoth, you put more effort into Gundam than all of these OTA clones out there. Really, I don't mind the OTA mods, but people should give our mods a try, even BloX which could've been great, I gave up, just by the lack of community support. If most of these players
EVEN owned Total Annhilation, it would be better, but the truth i they don't.