Spring RTS Engine

Posted: **03 Jun 2007, 02:37**

tc- wrote:TradeMark: I find TASClient to be rather messy because it has everything in the same window. While it's nice to have everything there, it takes up too much space and I personally don't chat when I want to play anyway. It's a lot more attractive to have it separeted this way too imo

You havent played enough then

It might look messy for the very first time, but you should get used to it when you use it enough... though, i dont remember such feeling that it was any messy at all. I like it.

Usually when there is nothing interesting games up, i just relax and chat some bullshit, while i seek for new games.

It would be annoying to chat _OR_ seek games, feeling like you are missing something when you are on the chat, or looking for games. Then it ends up there you switch between chat and battle button every one second

And by the way, if you so want to tab everything in their own pages, why there is still that player list at the same window? Its rarely usable for anything, so it should be in some other page in your logic...

Oh and those flags on the battle list aint so good idea, because then people becames more selective and racists... "i dont like french people, so i choose this USA server instead", really, that will happen...
Spring aint so lagfully game that you need to think so much which country the server is from, havent really noticed any super lags, only when distance is like 10kkm.

But i would like to see flags for each player in the battle room.

Posted: **03 Jun 2007, 10:05**

cong06 wrote:ok. starting over real quick.
I go through the steps till I get to:
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./configure && make
It does a bunch of Checking.... and then gets to:
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checking wxWidgets version... ./configure: line 5791: wx-config: command not found
not found
configure: error: wxWidgets is required. Try --with-wx-config.

Does the wx-config command work on your system? If not, perhaps wx-config-2.8 does? Try locate wx-config, if you can't find it otherwise. Then use the right name on --with-wx-config. If that fixes it, the problem is that your distro installs the library incorrectly.

Posted: **03 Jun 2007, 11:40**

TradeMark wrote:Usually when there is nothing interesting games up, i just relax and chat some bullshit, while i seek for new games.

It would be annoying to chat _OR_ seek games, feeling like you are missing something when you are on the chat, or looking for games. Then it ends up there you switch between chat and battle button every one second

What would you specify as an interesting game? Certain hosts, certain players in it? Certain maps, or what? If it's something more than your gut feeling then it should e possible to announce possibly interesting games in the chat area of your client much like it will do when friends go online.

TradeMark wrote:And by the way, if you so want to tab everything in their own pages, why there is still that player list at the same window? Its rarely usable for anything, so it should be in some other page in your logic...

That list will not only be a players list, it will also be able to be sorted to only display what friends are online and such. Making it optional will not be a problem if that's needed.

TradeMark wrote:Oh and those flags on the battle list aint so good idea, because then people becames more selective and racists... "i dont like french people, so i choose this USA server instead", really, that will happen...
Spring aint so lagfully game that you need to think so much which country the server is from, havent really noticed any super lags, only when distance is like 10kkm.

We have though about that and had a long discussion about it in #taspring @ FreeNode from that discussion I concluded that flags are questionable where ever you place them. In the chat people may de discriminated because of it. In the battle list people will pick servers that are local( I have no problem with that, even if it's no real problem with lag ), and in the battleroom people might get kicked beacuse of their nationality.

I think discriminating others is something only assholes will do, and I think they will do it anyway. It will just be slightly easier with flags. But I also think that the community will step up and stop such behavior.

All these are just negative affects of flags, but I also think there are lots of positive effects too. There are assholes in the community for sure, but I don't think taking the flags away will stop them from being assholes.

Posted: **03 Jun 2007, 13:40**

tc- wrote:I don't think taking the flags away will stop them from being assholes.

Yeah, but less people joins in my games then.

I dont think people will actually be that assholes they will kick someone by his nationality... If that happens, it should be reported, and that kicker should be banned :P

tc- wrote:What would you specify as an interesting game? Certain hosts, certain players in it? Certain maps, or what?

Maps and rooms with many players. Basically waiting that some big game gets finished and battle is open again.

Posted: **03 Jun 2007, 14:21**

TradeMark wrote:Yeah, but less people joins in my games then.

I think that if you are a good hoster people knows that and will join your game regardless of flag shown in front of it.

Posted: **03 Jun 2007, 14:42**

What about new hosts? Less people joins in their games, because hes from X country.

Posted: **03 Jun 2007, 16:21**

I am inclined to agree with trademark that flags would not be a good idea. I wouldn't say it's because of the racist comments etc... but because people will discriminate because of distance to host; i.e. "that guys on the other side of the world, it's better to join this one cos it's closer". You may think this is a good thing, but there are many other variables that can affect this, which means some close host will be worse than ones on the other side of the world. Maybe if you put the flag AND a ping next to it, this could help slightly (shows that even far away hosts can have good ping)

As for the games list and chat; i would also like to have them on a single page; but in the end, you're putting in the work, it's your choice.

Posted: **03 Jun 2007, 18:32**

tASServer doesnt provide pings, nor does it provide the IP addresses of people outside battle anymore. Not that each client pinging every other client is such a good idea, recieving 400 different pings at regular intervals would be a nightmare.

I find country flags are useful for identifying language barriers. If the first thign my ally says is in french and he has a french flag, I know I'm in trouble(he wont communicate and if he does it wont be english).

I've never seen people discriminate hosts based upon country flag. The flags arent that accurate anyway, I'm American according to tasclient, but I've never stepped foot outside of europe. I should have a British flag. All AOL users have US flags regardless of location. There are a number of people who get '??'.

Also people think that choosing places to connect to should be done via location distance, when actually thats a very bad way of doing it. You are supposed to choose via timezone.

Posted: **04 Jun 2007, 01:17**

Tronic wrote: Does the wx-config command work on your system? If not, perhaps wx-config-2.8 does? Try locate wx-config, if you can't find it otherwise. Then use the right name on --with-wx-config. If that fixes it, the problem is that your distro installs the library incorrectly.

Running "./configure &&make --with-wx-config" just gave the same thing.

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isaac@isaaclw2:~/springlobby$ ./configure && make --with-wx-config
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking
....
checking wxWidgets version... ./configure: line 5791: wx-config: command not found
not found
configure: error: wxWidgets is required. Try --with-wx-config.

When I did a "find"

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isaac@isaaclw2:/usr/include/wx-2.8/wx$ sudo find / -name wx
Password:
/usr/include/wx-2.8/wx

so I go to that directory, and it looks like a bunch of *.h files...(even after I uninstall wx2.8-examples and wx2.8-doc)

I wonder if that means I was supposed to compile it, and i didn't? Their page didn't mention it... I do have a x86 btw...

Posted: **05 Jun 2007, 18:14**

I have set up a Trac site for SpringLobby now and hopefully it will be helpful for anyone who wants to help out with the project. The adress is as follows: http://tc.serveftp.net/trac

Posted: **05 Jun 2007, 19:00**

Here is a screenshot of the battleroom so far. Still waiting for lots of improvements though.

Where $mapname is right now there will be a lable with the name of the map as well as a minimap, under it will probably be some of the most basic settings that affect gameplay. Two more tabs will also be added, one for seting the map and the other for battle options.

Posted: **05 Jun 2007, 20:07**

Looks good and fast process.
Are you including a single player feature and a config tool?

Posted: **05 Jun 2007, 20:30**

Those ghz's should be rounded to one decimal IMO

Posted: **05 Jun 2007, 22:24**

Agon: Signleplayer, yes, and if you mean config tool as in spring configuration then yes too.

TradeMark: Yeah, now that you mention it

Posted: **05 Jun 2007, 22:51**

Agon: Signleplayer, yes, and if you mean config tool as in spring configuration then yes too.

Yeah, I mean that. Great to hear. Hope we can see a working lobby client for Linux soon.

Posted: **05 Jun 2007, 23:15**

Agon: Yeah, because I promised mysqlf I cant play a single game until I can do it with SpringLobby

Hopefully I will be able to play again in a few weeks

Posted: **06 Jun 2007, 03:34**

tc- wrote:Agon: Yeah, because I promised mysqlf I cant play a single game until I can do it with SpringLobby

Hopefully I will be able to play again in a few weeks

sweet. maybe then you can just compile it? and have a working package ready to install (through apt-get)?

That would save me all the trouble I'm going through anyway

Posted: **06 Jun 2007, 17:01**

great work, keep it up!!

Posted: **07 Jun 2007, 04:40**

tc- wrote:Agon: Yeah, because I promised mysqlf I cant play a single game until I can do it with SpringLobby

Hopefully I will be able to play again in a few weeks

Was that a real typo?

Posted: **07 Jun 2007, 09:29**

det: Yeah

But I have to admit I noticed it after posting, didn't take it away because I thought it was funny