Re: SOPA and independant game projects.
Posted: 29 Nov 2011, 23:06
You don't need SOPA to blackout domains without trial:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... cebook.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... cebook.ars
Open Source Realtime Strategy Game Engine
https://springrts.com/phpbb/
SOPA changes absolutely nothing about possibility of false copyright infringement lawsuit, and changes very little about the impact of such lawsuit on any legitimate business. And no, the site would not be taken down on the mere claim of copyright infringement. Per SOPA, the ISP or payment processor or Google or whoever merely need to request from me (and receive) a counter-claim of no copyright infringement. And that's it. Why demand such a silly thing? Well there's those people (megaupload etc) who don't even claim that they aren't helping infringe copyright, they claim their participation in copyright infringement is not wilful, it's all user's fault, they're just a general file service. Those people are put in peril if they have to claim that they are not infringing copyright.KaiserJ wrote:dize: proxies and VPN will be illegal (and all unknown traffic will be blocked)
i guess i didn't really make myself clear in my first post; it's not so much the blocking of pirated material that bothers me but the blanket statements like you mentioned at the end of your last post similar to "protecting the public health" and the like; this opens the door for them to do what they did to wikileaks any time they like, and without the affected party having any type of recourse available
a reminder : it's legal for me to download whatever i like in my country, as long as i don't share it, however, i am within the sphere of influence of the united states, which will be interfering with MY rights and freedoms, even though i live in a different country altogether.
and no, i didn't pirate your game. any indy game i want to play, i will buy, because i understand the difference between feeding a hard worker and feeding a corporation (i suppose this is a completely different discussion altogether but i would like to at least state my viewpoint)
will the impact be less for you? yes, because you'll still be able to connect to sites without routing through the united states. however, since payment services are international corporations, and all of them have at least ties to the united states as a whole, this puts your business in peril... if your site/company was taken down tomorrow for a copyright infringement (false of course) would you have the resources to fly to the united states and plead your case in the courts there?
completely false copyright claims can be made under SOPA, without any chance of getting in trouble regardless of if their claim is incorrect (exactly like DMCA)SOPA changes absolutely nothing about possibility of false copyright infringement lawsuit, and changes very little about the impact of such lawsuit on any legitimate business.
DMCA claims are under penalty of perjury as well. It's just that in practice some anonymous ass can send them.KaiserJ wrote:completely false copyright claims can be made under SOPA, without any chance of getting in trouble regardless of if their claim is incorrect (exactly like DMCA)SOPA changes absolutely nothing about possibility of false copyright infringement lawsuit, and changes very little about the impact of such lawsuit on any legitimate business.
When you aren't an 'anonymous' non-existent operator of a piracy site, which for all intent and purposes in fact belongs to it's ISP itself.
counter-claims however, if falsified, put you in danger of perjury, and must be made five days after the initial complaint.
Examples of it happening to a site which was not, in fact, infringing copyright? The DMCA I think doesn't even require to notify the author and give any 5 days, by the way.DMCA counter claims are notoriously poorly accepted and seldom work, as ISPs are generally fearful of the government and will immediately block and remove the site.
Precisely. This is the current status quo, which SOPA doesn't change.(i'm sure we're all familiar with stories of mastercard and paypal and other payment services withholding funds)
The fraudulent claims are always a possibility, and no paypal is not required to recoup the losses when they freeze your account.i should note dize... i'm not saying this stuff in the context of "if this goes through, you WILL be served" because i'm sure your site is legit, and you're a good guy so i doubt you have any enemies who would be making fraudulent claims.
Since when does the thing of us versus them, took over american politics??take action against foreign “rogue” websites that traffic in stolen and counterfeit American-made films, television shows, music, and other goods, threatening jobs and local economies in cities across the country.
Since Bush said "Either you're with us or against us."scifi wrote:Since when does the thing of us versus them, took over american politics??
Even if this was true, witch is speculating A lot.to combat foreign rogue websites. Companies like Google have made billions by working with and promoting foreign rogue websites so they have a vested interest in preventing Congress from stopping rogue sites.
“In August, Google paid half a billion dollars to settle a criminal case because of the search engine giant’s active promotion of foreign rogue pharmacies that sold counterfeit and illegal drugs to U.S. patients.