Spring RTS Engine

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P3374H wrote:

mehere101 wrote:Once Spring has had a few semi-professional mods released, the graphics of spring will be close enough not to matter.

mehere101 wrote:Once I pull my head out of my ass and acknowledge the existence of EE and Gundam, not just mods with TEN YEAR OLD MODELS, I will realize that the graphics of spring are close enough not to matter.

Fixed.

Anything using 3dos is not 'semi-professional' in graphical quality.

eh, I think so. Not professional but simi is believable.

When was the last time a proffesional game didn't use UV mapping?


Not meaning to be offensive, but it's simply the truth. It's also the truth that Spring mods are looking better and better all the time as people aquire new skills. But we're not to the level of quality that is desirable yet.

i've played SupCom, and it's not my kind of game. Graphics are good when zoomed in, but that's just for show, 90% of the time you have to be zoomed all the way out to get anyting done. it also doesn't have the responsive ness that games like warcraft3 and starcraft have. to date, Warcraft 3 is the game to beat imo..

PumpkinKing wrote:I haven't played TA spring a while, I'm into Supreme Commander now to be honest, but theirs a problem....

Literally Hundreds of thousands, maybe even in the dam millions! Of people are finding out that their computer do not run Supreme Commander worth a crap.

These same people however more so then not are likely craving the type of gameplay of TA over the other latest RTS games.

Personally I think everyone just needs to spend a ton of money for a super rig for supcom but I'm realistic. I know most of the people who find out they can't run Supcom

Are going to go buy mediocre garbage like CnC 3 and to be honest I'd much rather see those people come here then go stuff money into the black hole that is EA Games.


So basically you guys need to get the fucking ball moving, every single person on the internet who posts Supcom runs like crap or they are just overall just disappointed with the game NEEDS to be getting a PM from one of you guys.

Their is NO better time then right fucking now to grow this community to heights in which you never thought it would reach, don't let this opportunity slip by!

Nonsense...you should speak if you had and played the game beyond the early campaign. I don't like SupCom and it will go the way of ROL in a few months...but the game TAXES ANY SYSTEM out there right now. anyone running it with quad core +4MB + XT1950 crossfire will tell you that.

grumpy_Bastard wrote:

PumpkinKing wrote:I don't get why theirs some many idiots in Spring that bash supcom.

Whoever things Supcom's requirements are steep, needs to place their pentium 2 dell "gaming pc" in the garbage and take a look at what modern computer components are avalible. Supcom will run quite nicely on 3 year old midrange hardware.

mehere101 wrote:Where'd you pull those requirements from?

Google "supreme commander requirements"

mehere101 wrote:I can't handle largish battles (>50 units) without having my FPS drop drastically! I have a 2.4 ghz P4 with 768mb of ram, and a Geforce 7600. I honestly don't see that my computer is old enough to ignore.

You have a 5 year old processor, a 1-year old videocard, a fairly low amount of ram by todays standards, and im assuming you have the graphics set less than the absolute minimum. Id bet coin that your swapping heavily, seeing how 1GB of ram is even far too little for me to play supcom with. With the amount of ram you have, you might as well have an 8800GTX, its not going to help.

The minimum requirements for something are just that, the minimum required. With 1GB ram, 1.8Ghz S939 winchester-core, 128MB 6600GT, the lowest ive seen during normal play is around 10-11Fps, unless im doing something like launching several nukes and blowing apart something. In spring, unless Im spamming a few hundred peewees, upwards of 200FPS is normal, and it doesnt seem to use more than ~300MB of ram. Considering that my computer was mid-range when I bought it in December 2004, for $740.00 USD, its not doing too bad for new games.

mehere101 wrote:Lets face it, performance wise Spring>Supcom. Once Spring has had a few semi-professional mods released, the graphics of spring will be close enough not to matter. Then what does supcom really have that spring doesn't?

Performance wise, DOOM 1 > Spring. Quite a shocking revalation! Are you also aware windows 3.1 loads faster than windows vista?

Doom vs spring is equally as pointless of comparison as spring to supcom. Anyone should be able to grasp the concept, that older games with poor graphics will perform better than a new game with more demanding graphics. The graphics in TA Spring are not anything groundbreaking, revolutionary, or new by any means. Rather, the graphics in spring is adequate, effective, but again... by no means is it modern or cutting edge.

Spring and supcom are two different games, While where at it, why not throw in a Spring vs supcom vs C&C generals? Spring is free to use and has fairly modest requirements, im actually working on getting spring to run on a 500Mhz and 1Ghz P3 to prove a point to some followers of the celeron cult.

If people like spring so much, as to go to lengths of complaining about supcom... just dont use it. Its not like the spring developers are losing money and buisness to Supcom, spring is free and always will be unless atari decides to intervene. If you or anyone else feel its insane and immoral to continue to develop games with more demanding graphics, the way its been for the past 25 years, No one is forcing anyone to use anything, unless you actually want to play supcom or any other new game at a decent framerate.

Mehere, Dz0 etc... whoever else seems to believe games steady demands for newer hardware is a new phenomenon which has just started happening within the past few months, and also seem to be shocked and upset... Its nothing new. If someone truely feels its too much to pay for a new gaming pc every few years, buy a nintendo whee, or go outside and ride a bike... or whatever it is the outside-people do.

I pretty much agrea with grumpy here except on 1 point. You guys need to stop thinking that if spring lost TA it would be fucked.

Spring has MANY MANY other games.

grumpy_Bastard wrote:

PumpkinKing wrote:I don't get why theirs some many idiots in Spring that bash supcom.

Yes it has steep hardware requirements, but that doesn't make the game bad in fact you are really just a flat out idiot if you claim TA springs Gameplay is great and supcoms isn't as all Supcom is , is TA with a larger scale and a bunch of great new interface tools!

Whoever things Supcom's requirements are steep, needs to place their pentium 2 dell "gaming pc" in the garbage and take a look at what modern computer components are avalible. Supcom will run quite nicely on 3 year old midrange hardware.

Videocard: Pixel shader 2.0, 128MB memory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_6_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_9800

CPU : at least 1800Mhz for those who still think Mhz actually means something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd_athlon#Athlon_XP.2FMP

With the exception of peter, with a missing AGP slot, upgrade your crusty computer or buy a nintento Whee. New games actually need a videocard made in this millenium.

Now tell me why it runs like crap on my Athlon 64 3000+ and GeForce 6800. Granted, it handles lag better than Spring (which goes completely nuts once your FPS drop) but it's still not nice to see it chug along as a sloooooow pace.

same here man. I have a 2.4 ghz athelon 64 with a 6800 256meg, sata drive and 3 gigs of dual channel ram.

im runing windows xp computer

can enyon tell me


supcom will ir work

MAYBE IF U HVE TEH MEGAHURTZ!!

I don't use Megahurtz, the damage boost just isn't worth the increased energy drain. Even with maximum efficiency my sniper rod still eats energy like it was oatmeal.

smoth wrote:I pretty much agrea with grumpy here except on 1 point. You guys need to stop thinking that if spring lost TA it would be fucked.

Spring has MANY MANY other games.

Yeah, but nobody plays them.

They would if there was no more TA. That wouldn't leave them with the option of going back into the safe comfort of TA, they'd have to go with SOMETHING new if they want to keep playing something. As such they have the option of learning both a new (and probably inferior) UI AND new gameplay with another game or use another spring mod and only learn new gameplay.

KDR the gfx card seems to eb the weak link.

And imo anyone with a cpu branded as pentium 4 or the equivilant AMD or older shouldnt even attempt to run any game as new as supcom regardless of how much supcom uses in resources.

7800GTX, Althlon X-2 4.4 and 2 gig PC3200 here, supcom slows down to much before i get to 1000 units for my liking at 1280x1024, mediumish+ settings. And tbh, it really dosent look as good as people make out imo

Ok, so we can establish that you don't have SupCom and never played, since you are backtracking now. My suggestion is to open your mouth only when you have some experience to base your comment on.

Still, you don't seem to get it and wish to speak with no experience. SupCom will tax ANY system you get. did you even read my post about quadcore, 8gb of ram, and crossfire/xt1950s slowing down in heated battle? What, do you want people to buy some rig nasa is using to play these games? maybe i would, if the game was any good.

grumpy_Bastard wrote:Mehere, Dz0 etc... whoever else seems to believe games steady demands for newer hardware is a new phenomenon which has just started happening within the past few months, and also seem to be shocked and upset... Its nothing new. If someone truely feels its too much to pay for a new gaming pc every few years, buy a nintendo whee, or go outside and ride a bike... or whatever it is the outside-people do.

Maybe think what could be done to make Spring a complete game, not about SupCom requirements.
I would be happy to participate in building the Spring community, I could do some coding. I wonder all the time while playing what in particular needs the most work.

What, do you want people to buy some rig nasa is using to play these games?

Did NASA even upgrade to 80386s yet? I heard they were buying Atari 2600s lately in order to use their CPUs.